What Could Go Wrong, or Right, in a War with Iran
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This is The New Yorker Radio Hour, a co-production of WNYC Studios and The New Yorker.
Welcome to The New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Remnick. When protests ignited across Iran in December and reports emerged that the regime was killing thousands of protesters, Donald Trump threatened to intervene then and there. He did not. But the Pentagon began building up a huge military presence around the Gulf region. And meanwhile, the regime, it turns out, may have killed as many as 30,000 of its own people, according to some estimates. Iran has seen huge protests in the country before. And the regime has responded with violence before. But this time seems something of a different order of magnitude. Some Iranians who oppose the regime have been in the crazy position of hoping for the U.S. to strike, to bomb their own country, even if it leads to full-scale war.
Reporter Cora Engelbrecht has been recording her conversations with people in Iran about what that could all mean. Now we've altered or overdubbed their voices to protect these people from reprisal.
It is the topic of the past 40 days.
What sparked the recent protests in Iran?
It is the topic that every Iranian would speak about when they would ever meet.
One of the people who spoke with me is a young man who works in a hospital about four hours north of Tehran.
I mean, I'm having a very difficult time processing all these different thoughts because on theory, like on paper, I would be against a foreign invention. I would believe that democracy would only come from within. But looking back at what happens, where are these criminals going to go? We're not going to vote away in a million years.
This hospital worker was stationed in two different emergency wards during the peak of the regime's lethal crackdown on nationwide demonstrations in January. In the weeks since, he has sent me evidence he collected of hundreds of casualties, many of them trauma injuries, from these emergency wards where he was stationed.
These people, these plainclothes agents, for example, remember the grandmother that I told you about? The grandmother that was brought in there to the hospital. The granddaughter who was shot in the ear was crying all the time. And the daughter of that grandmother was undergoing a mental collapse.
What does the U.S. military presence in the Gulf signify?
During that entire time that we were attempting CPR on the old woman, the plainclothes agents just stood there laughing. and showing no empathy whatsoever, they were laughing. So essentially, mortal enemies, and they were treating the patients like animals. And seeing that, realizing that we are already these people's mortal enemies, helped us realize that we are at war to a degree, to a good degree. And fearing a foreign invasion in these circumstances is just... kind of laughable, if you ask me.
Can you hear me?
Yeah, yeah.
How are you feeling? This is an activist who lives in Tehran. She's in her 20s. She was actually in prison during the Women Live Freedom protests in 2022. Over the past few weeks, she's been attending a lot of funerals commemorating people who were killed in January.
How has the Iranian regime responded to protests?
For years, she told me she would have never dreamed of supporting foreign intervention. But now, faced over and over again with the undeniable brutality of the violence from the past months, she's shifted her view. She can't help but want some kind of action from the United States, which would eliminate the regime.
I don't know. You read the book, Waiting for Godot.
Yes.
Yes. It's like we are waiting for you. And we want to attack us because we can't fight back with the government. And I don't know. I think that's a miserable situation for my people. You know, war is not good. And we saw that the war and the foreign engagements in Afghanistan and Iraq and Palestine, it's too bad. And it's continuing over the years. But it's like we have two ways. One, the regime kills us. Two,
This woman is an activist in her mid-30s, and she told me she's participated in every political uprising, starting with the Green Movement in 2009. She was in her teens then, so her whole adult life she's been protesting the current regime.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:02–1:21
2
What sparked the recent protests in Iran?
1:21–2:40
3
What does the U.S. military presence in the Gulf signify?
2:40–3:54
4
How has the Iranian regime responded to protests?
3:54–7:19
5
What are the implications of U.S. intervention in Iran?
7:19–9:40
6
What historical precedents influence current U.S. policy?
9:40–13:13
7
How do Iranians view the prospect of regime change?
13:13–15:07
8
What role does Reza Pahlavi play in Iran's future?
15:07–35:47
Speakers
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