Is Tony Blair getting in Andy Burnham’s way?
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Why is Tony Blair re‑entering the EU debate just before Andy Burnham’s conference?
This is a global production. The soul searching and breastbeating over Europe goes on. And at the UN General Assembly this week, Andy Burnham was again talking about close relations with the EU.
We are America's closest ally. We have deep ties with our friends in the European Union and seek to deepen them further.
So just how close is close. On the eve of the Labour Party conference, none other than Tony Blair has interjected into the EU debate and called on Burnham to restart negotiations about joining Europe. Welcome to the news agents. Hmm.
It's John. It's Maitless. And think tanks before party conferences always like to come up with an eye-catching sort of report that will get the conversation going and maybe put themselves at the centre of a debate. When that paper comes from the Tony Blair Institute and the foreword is written by Tony Blair himself, you can bet it's going to get attention. So So the Blair Institute have put out a paper, as you said, Emily, that talks about maybe Britain rejoining Europe within the next ten years, and that's saying that should be the aim of government policy. It's not entirely one sided because it also says that it needs to be part of a reformed Europe that Britain would need to join, i.e., less sclerotic, more growth focused, and all these other things that Tony.
Blair has gone on about in the past. But nevertheless, it is a significant contribution. And you always think Are you the outrider for what the government wants when you do a paper like this, or are you a bloody irritant coming up with something that takes the party in a direction it doesn't want to go just on the eve of conference?
So interesting that the Times has called this, to your point, a provocative intervention. And just to take you, as it were, behind the curtain into some of our chats in the office this morning, we have been trying to work out exactly the state of play of the relationship between Tony Blair and Andy Burnham to try and answer that question. In other words, Is Blair going ahead of where Burnham wants to get to? Is that exactly his role in all this? Or is Blair trying to pull Burnham into the place that he thinks we should be? And to understand that a bit more, I think you you have to start kind of questioning the relationship between Blair and successive Labour leaders. Now we know that the relationship with
with Keir Starmer was frankly not a good one, as somebody spelled out to me. Um, it was pretty crap, you know. The Kia found Tony Blair, pretty overpowering, and new This person, very close confidant of Tony Blair, told me for the last thirty years, knew Tony didn't rate him. What is different this time round? I d I don't think Blair has ever particularly denied that. You know, he sort of he used to sort of shrug or sort of a short. Well, he wrote that whole essay about why it wasn't you know, not enough was happening. So in comes um Andy Burnham. I mean, there is a whole separate side issue as to whether it ever crossed Tony Blair's mind that he could be the person, you know, by some means that would come in and lead Labour again.
It was something that I think Labour MPs would never have countenanced, would never have contemplated, but it's something that those around Tony Blair think You know curiously, he would have been up for. He still feels like this very dominant figure, and arguably the person who has spent the last sort of twenty years that he's been out of office thinking about the really big thoughts on growth, on technology, on AI, on the NHS, on on actually, you know, w what it takes to power this country into a place where it is workable again, where politics is workable again. So what has happened this time round? Burnham has now employed James Pinnell and I think that is critical because James Pennell was
James Pinnell is the new chief of staff.
He's Burnham's chief of staff who was and still is very close to Tony Blair in the Blair cabinet. And I think that Purnell has provided a very helpful sort of route between the two of them.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
Why is Tony Blair re‑entering the EU debate just before Andy Burnham’s conference?
0:02–5:43
2
What does the Blair Institute’s paper propose for Britain’s EU re‑entry and why is it controversial?
5:43–10:51
3
How have Tony Blair’s relationships with past Labour leaders shaped his current influence on Burnham?
10:51–16:36
4
What evidence exists of direct contact—or lack thereof—between Blair and Burnham?
16:36–22:19
5
How does the new MRP poll forecast a snap election and why does it suggest one is unlikely?
22:19–27:26
6
What does the poll reveal about Labour’s, Conservative’s and Reform’s seat prospects?
27:26–32:52
7
How is Andy Burnham positioning his ten‑year plan around Europe, devolution and fiscal reform?
32:52–37:33
8
What are the biggest challenges Burnham faces in balancing his constituency’s Euroscepticism with his personal pro‑EU stance?
37:33–42:11
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