ICE is keeping tabs on American citizens
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Hey there, it's the NPR Politics Podcast. I'm Miles Parks. I cover voting. And we also have NPR reporters Kat Lansdorff and Jude Joffe Block joining us today. How do you both? Hey. Hey. So today on the show, we're going to be talking about how the Department of Homeland Security is surveilling people in new ways, because you both, along with NPR's Meg Anderson, have been digging into a bunch of different tools that DHS is using to track both people who are in the United States illegally, but also U.S. citizens. And I want to start with this example of this woman in Minneapolis named Emily, who your story kind of opens with as well. Kat, tell us about who she is and what her experience kind of shows.
Yeah, so Emily's experience was back in late January. She was out driving around her neighborhood in Minneapolis patrolling for ICE as a constitutional observer. I'll just say we're only IDing Emily by her first name because she fears retribution from the federal government. She told me she was following an ICE vehicle at a safe distance into a parking lot when a masked agent leaned out the window, took a picture of her and her license plate, and then – rolled down the window and addressed Emily by name and recited her home address to her. You know, Emily told us that it really shook her. Their message was not subtle, right? They were, in effect, saying, we see you, we can get to you whenever we want to.
And it did scare me. Emily says she didn't know how they pulled up her information so quickly.
And that was one of the things we were really trying to figure out with this reporting was... You know, we were collecting dozens of stories, talking to people, combing through court documents to really try to understand how is this surveillance web that DHS is spinning affecting real people on the ground?
OK, so, I mean, tell me more about what you're reporting found out specifically in Emily's case. I mean, how was the government? Do you have any sense of how the government was able to get this information on her?
We don't know the specifics. I mean, you know, we asked ICE and DHS and they say they won't share those tactics with the public. But I mean, it does seem like vehicle registration information is key. You know, law enforcement through license plates can figure out who owns a car and their address. But, you know, there's also a lot of questions out there about what kinds of information DHS and federal agents are collecting on observers like Emily. There was a case in Maine, a woman who was recording another observer who was recording federal agents on her phone. Her name's Colleen Fagan. And she was watching ICE agents. And as she was watching them with her phone, they were seemingly recording her face and her license plate.
What new surveillance tactics is DHS using on American citizens?
And she recorded this video.
Exactly. Yeah. That's what we're doing. Yeah. Why are you taking my information down? Because we have a nice little database. Oh, good. And now you're considered a domestic terrorist.
We're videotaping you?
So you can hear there they tell her that they have a, quote, nice little database and that they are considering her a domestic terrorist. I will say that DHS has denied having a database like this several times since that video went pretty viral. Outgoing Secretary Kristi Noem denied it in front of Congress just last week. Todd Lyons, who's the acting director for ICE, has also denied it in front of Congress. DHS also denied it to us in a statement that that we got from them. You know, we did ask DHS why agents are taking pictures of protesters faces or license plates, and they did not respond to that question when we asked them. So, you know, we don't know if there is a database like this, despite them denying it.
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