The One Inside: An Internal Family Systems (IFS) podcast
Episodes
IFS and Checking in with Jenna Riemersma
01 Sep 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Welcome to Season 5 where we 'check in': I check in about Season 5 of the podcast Jenna checks in about the Altogether Us book release earlier this m...
IFS and Coaching with Brian Jaudon
04 Jul 2023
Contributed by Lukas
On today's podcast I chat with Brian Jaudon, an IFS-trained coach who works with a wide range of clients from executives and entrepreneurs to shamans ...
IFS and a Meditation with Richard Schwartz (Re-released from 2019)
23 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Hi! This is a re-release of a meditation Dick did on an episode released 10/29/19 that was part of the full episode released 11/6/19. I chat for about...
IFS and Sexual Orientation with Frank Anderson
16 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I talk with Dr. Frank Anderson. Frank is a psychiatrist, lead Trainer with the IFS Institute, author of 'Transcending Trauma' and a...
IFS and All Genders Welcome with Sand Chang
09 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
On today's podcast I talk with Dr. Sand Chang who wrote a chapter in the upcoming Altogether Us book. Dr. Sand Chang is a Chinese American nonbinar...
IFS and The Enneagram: Parts we find in Type with Joan Ryan and Tammy Sollenberger Interviewed by Jenna Riemersma
02 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode, Jenna Riemersma is the GUEST HOST and interviews Tammy and Joan Ryan about their chapter on the Enneagram in the Altogether Us boo...
IFS and Asian & Pacific Islander Clients
12 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat with Regina Wei who wrote the chapter on Asian and Pacific Islander Clients for the Altogether Us book. Regina Wei (she/they...
IFS and Play Therapy with Carmen Jimenez-Pride
05 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I talk with Carmen Jimenez-Pride about her chapter in the Altogether Us book on Play Therapy. Carmen is an Assistant...
IFS and Talking about Sex with Patricia Rich
21 Apr 2023
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat with Patricia Rich. This is her 2nd appearance on the podcast. The first was entitled Self-Led Sexuality and that is what w...
IFS and Healing with Psychedelics with Nancy Morgan
07 Apr 2023
Contributed by Lukas
On today's podcast I talk with Dr. Nancy Morgan, Certified IFS Therapist. Nancy wrote the IFS and Psychedelic chapter in the new upcoming book, "Alto...
IFS and Culturally Responsive Practices in Latinx Mental Health with Gaby Satarino
24 Mar 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Re-published Previous episode for the Altogether Us Book! Gaby Satarino has created four IFS-informed approaches to providing culturally centered car...
IFS and Healing Parts with Psychodrama with Valerie Simon
10 Mar 2023
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat with Altogether Us author Valerie Simon. Valerie Simon is a Certified IFS Therapist, a Trainer, Educator and Practitioner ...
IFS and Notice, kNow, and Need with Jenna Riemersma
17 Feb 2023
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat with Jenna Riemersma about her chapter in the upcoming book "Altogether Us." We talk about: An IFS Shorthand: Notice, kNow ...
IFS and Altogether Us with Richard Schwartz and Jenna Riemersma
27 Jan 2023
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat with Richard Schwartz, founder of IFS and Jenna Riemersma, author of Altogether You and IFS Level 3 therapist. Jenna is the ...
IFS and Solo IFS with Lucille Aaron-Wayne
23 Dec 2022
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I talk with Lucille Aaron-Wayne, a longtime Certified IFS Therapist, Jungian analyst-in-training and art therapist. She helps peopl...
IFS and Using Technology to Help Us Connect to our Parts with Sarah Houy
09 Dec 2022
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat with Sarah Houy, a certified IFS therapist and the co-founder of Sentur, an IFS app! Sarah is passionate about revolutionizi...
IFS and "Middle Lane Drinkers" with Madeline Gibson
25 Nov 2022
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat with Madeline Gibson, a Level 3 IFS practitioner and coach living in Lake Como, Italy. Madeline owns and runs Lake Como Well...
IFS and "Healing Happens in Relationships" with Anna Vincentz
04 Nov 2022
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat with Anna Vincentz, a Level 3 IFS therapist who resides in Denmark. We talk about: 1. Attachment: the nervous system and inn...
IFS and Chronic Pain with Susann Suprenant
21 Oct 2022
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat with Susann Suprenant, Ph.D. Susann is a Level 1 Internal Family Systems practitioner and Guild Certified Feldenkrais Pract...
IFS and Parts and Charts with Tara Vogel
07 Oct 2022
Contributed by Lukas
On today's podcast I chat with Tara Vogel, a Level One IFS trained practitioner and a certified professional astrologer and coach who is passionate ab...
IFS and The Best of You with Alison Cook
16 Sep 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Welcome to Season 4! Today I chat with Dr. Alison Cook, psychologist and author of Boundaries for Your Soul and her new book, The Best of You. We talk...
IFS and Relationship with Sacred Psychedelic Medicines with Payam
03 Jun 2022
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat with Payam, a Psychedelic Somatic Internal Family Systems Practitioner who interfaces with various traditional and non-trad...
IFS and Unblend and Befriend with Kim Smith
20 May 2022
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat with Kim Smith. Kim created a journal to help you have conversations between yourSelf and your parts. This is such a valuabl...
IFS and Trauma Healing with Tanner Wallace
06 May 2022
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat with Dr. Tanner Wallace, an IFS trained practitioner who is at the helm of the survivor-led trauma recovery revolution. She ...
IFS and Help! My Child has OCD with Melissa Mose
08 Apr 2022
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode, I talk with Melissa Mose, MA, LMFT, who is a Level 3 trained Certified Internal Family Systems Therapist and a graduate of the Adv...
IFS and Be, Belong, Become: How IFS resonates with the Indigenous Worldview with Suzan McVicker and Julia Sullivan
25 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
On today's podcast I chat with Suzan McVicker and Julia Sullivan. They are part of the Indigenous Elder IFS Council who spoke at the 2021 IFS Annual C...
IFS and Authentic Relating: More of You and More of Me with Yaniv Rose and Christopher Gray
04 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
On today's podcast I chat with Christopher Gray and Yaniv Rose. Chris and Yaniv run IFS and Authentic relating groups and courses that are wildly popu...
IFS and Having Fun with Stuck Points with Derek Scott
18 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
On today's podcast I chat with Derek Scott about the stuck points that occur when working with clients or in our own systems. The video version of thi...
Exploring the Integration of IFS and the Enneagram with Joan Ryan Part 6
11 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
*****Information about the IFS and Enneagram Course starting in MARCH 2022 on both of our websites (see below)****** ---- Joan Ryan and I spend 6 epis...
Exploring the Integration of IFS and the Enneagram with Joan Ryan Part 5
04 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Joan Ryan and I spend 6 episodes discussing IFS and the Enneagram. These will be weekly episodes that are around 30-minutes. Here is an outline of all...
Exploring the Integration of IFS and the Enneagram with Joan Ryan Part 4
28 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Joan Ryan and I are spending the next 6 episodes discussing IFS and the Enneagram. These will be weekly episodes that are around 30-minutes. Here is a...
Exploring the Integration of IFS and the Enneagram with Joan Ryan Part 3
21 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Joan Ryan and I are spending the next 6 episodes discussing IFS and the Enneagram. These will be weekly episodes that are around 30-minutes. Here is a...
Exploring the Integration of IFS and the Enneagram with Joan Ryan Part 2
14 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Joan Ryan and I are spending the next 6 episodes discussing IFS and the Enneagram. These will be weekly episodes that are around 30-minutes. Here is a...
Exploring the Integration of IFS and the Enneagram with Joan Ryan
07 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Joan Ryan and I are spending the next 6 episodes discussing IFS and the Enneagram. These will be weekly episodes that are around 30-minutes. Here is a...
IFS and Writing as a Path to Self Energy with Kim Schneiderman
03 Dec 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On today's podcast I chat with Kim Schneiderman, MSW, LCSW. Kim is an "All but paperwork and a video" away from IFS Certification. She is a psychot...
IFS and Dissociation with Joanne Twombly
12 Nov 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat with Certified IFS Therapist Joanne Twombly. Joanne wrote a chapter entitled "Integrating Phase Oriented Treatment of Client...
IFS and Moving Towards with Jenna Riemersma
22 Oct 2021
Contributed by Lukas
I'm super excited to welcome back to the podcast my friend, Jenna Riemersma. Jenna and I were chatting about her concept of 'Moving Towards' and decid...
IFS and Beyond Hopelessness and Despair with Jim Abrams
30 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat again with my first guest ever, Jim Abrams. Jim is a frequent program assistant at IFS trainings so he is well known by many...
IFS and Hope with OCD with Alessio Rizzo and Robert Fox
17 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On today's podcast I chat with Alessio Rizzo and Robert Fox about having hope when treating and living with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Alessio is ...
IFS and Self Led Civility and a lot of Funk with David Medeiros
27 Aug 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat with David Mederios, Level Two trained IFS therapist. David has been a program assistant for multiple level one and level tw...
IFS and No Bad Parts with Richard Schwartz
09 Jul 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Here we are! - Together for the 100th episode with Dick Schwartz. Dick has always been supportive and kind to me- from meeting him when I came out of ...
IFS and Authenticity with Frank Anderson
02 Jul 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat with Frank Anderson. His new book, "Transcending Trauma" has been out for a month or so now, and he has done a few podcasts....
IFS and Psychedelics with Norma Stevens
25 Jun 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat with Norma Stevens who is an LCPC in private practice in the Baltimore/DC area. She is a Research Therapist for a Clinical T...
IFS as a Spiritual Practice with Gabby Bernstein
18 Jun 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On today's podcast I talk with New York Times Best Selling Author, Speaker and lover of IFS Gabby Bernstein. For over fifteen years, Gabby has been tr...
IFS and All things Couple's Therapy with Liz Phillips
11 Jun 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat with Liz Phillips. Liz comes to couples therapy after four decades of observing and experiencing couple disconnection, and o...
IFS and Mom Guilt with Leslie Petruk
04 Jun 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat with Leslie Petruk, Assistant trainer with the IFS Institute. Leslie is a parenting EXPERT and I am thrilled she took time o...
IFS and MEN-tal Health (Men's Issues) with Justin Martin
28 May 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat with Justin Martin, an IFS therapist who lives in FL where he enjoys avoiding Disneyworld, taking advantage of the abundance...
IFS and Shame and Addiction with Mary Kruger
21 May 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat with Mary Kruger, a lead trainer with the IFS Institute and one of the developers of the Level Two Addiction training. Mary ...
IFS and Intuitive Eating with Kim Daniels
14 May 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On todays episode I chat with Kim Daniels, Level 2 IFS Therapist. Kim is a Clinical Psychologist, Certified Intuitive Eating Counselor, and Emotional ...
IFS and Is Gender a Part? with Nic Wildes
07 May 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On todays episode, I chat with Nic Wildes about 'Is Gender a Part?' Nic spoke on this topic at the 2018 IFS Annual Conference and that is where we met...
IFS and Tuning Into Needs with Non Violent Communication with Spencer Thompson
30 Apr 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On todays episode I chat with Spencer Thompson, a Level 2 IFS Practitioner. He practices what he calls 'Self-Leadership Coaching,' emphasizing how IFS...
IFS and Why Christians Talk So Much About Love But Often Fail to be Loving with Molly LaCroix
23 Apr 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I talk with Molly Lacroix, a certified Level 3 IFS therapist, about her new book, "Restoring Relationship: Transforming Fear into L...
IFS and Hope for Injured Athletes with Heidi Armstrong
16 Apr 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat with Heidi Armstrong- IFS Informed super warrior, super star, and all around one of the most resilient human beings I have e...
IFS and Working with Children's and Parents' Parts with Lois Ehrmann
02 Apr 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat with Lois Ehrmann, a Level 3 IFS therapist and frequent staff member for Susan McConnell's Somatic IFS trainings. Lois ...
IFS and Living in Delight with Gale West
26 Mar 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat with Gale West, MA, MFA. Gale is the author of the IFS- and Akashic Records-inspired bestselling book, Money Come Dance With...
IFS and Who's at the Table? with Diana Richards
19 Mar 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat with Diana Richards, registered dietitian, Anusara yoga teacher, and who is certified in IFS. Diana offers workshops, consul...
IFS and Spirituality, Self, and Connection with Seth Kopald
12 Mar 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On today's podcast I chat with Seth Kopald, IFS Practitioner. This is Seth's second appearance on the podcast! He has a PhD in organizational leadersh...
IFS and Living from Self with Loch Kelly
05 Mar 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode, I chat with Loch Kelly, an IFS trained psychotherapist, a well known meditation and awakening leader, author of 2 incredible books...
IFS and Unblending Into Self Meditation with Loch Kelly
04 Mar 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Here is a copy of a meditation from the longer full episode with Loch. For more of Loch's offerings check out: https://lochkelly.org/ Enjoy!
IFS and Inviting Curiosity with Racist Parts with Daphne Fatter
19 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode, I chat with Dr. Daphne Fatter, certified IFS therapist and a licensed psychologist in private practice in Dallas, Texas. She teach...
IFS and Being with Exiles (and the Demo with Dick!) with Ty Cutner
12 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode, I chat with Ty Cutner, an IFS Informed Relationship and Image Coach who has a passion for working with men. Ty will be hosting two...
IFS and Embodied Antiracism with Francesca Maxime'
05 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode, I talk with Francesca Maxime', an IFS informed powerhouse! Her passion is contagious and my hope is that you will take one of the ...
IFS and Examining Whiteness with Virginia Seewaldt
29 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I connect with Dr. Virginia Seewaldt. Virginia and I talk about (in order): - Living in NYC and coping with Covid - Her experience ...
IFS and Masculinity and Jericho Circles with Steve Spitzer and Glenn Williams
22 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode, I chat with Steve Spitzer and Glenn Williams. Steve, Emeritus Professor of Sociology at Suffolk University in Boston, has taught, ...
IFS and Spirituality (and tons of other stuff!) with Frank Anderson
15 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode, I chat with Dr. Frank Anderson, a superstar in the IFS and Trauma world. You may know him as a lead trainer at the IFS Institute, ...
IFS and Suicidal Parts with Heidi Lindeman
08 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat with Heidi Lindeman, a level 3 trained IFS therapist who is passionate about helping others transform their relationship wit...
IFS and Personal Growth with Jay Earley
18 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat with Jay Earley, a popular IFS teacher who authored the book, "Self Therapy" and who leads ongoing IFS courses and groups. O...
IFS and The Power of Healing Our Own Racism with Dorothea Hrossowyc and Ingrid Helander
11 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode, I chat with Dorothea Hrossowyc and Ingrid Helander. Ingrid and Dorothea along with Tyler Haaren, Joya Lonsdale, Julia Sullivan,...
IFS and The Enneagram with Joan Ryan
04 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode, I chat with Joan Ryan, an internationally recognized Enneagram expert and Leadership coach. Fortunately for our community, Joan is...
IFS and Altogether You with Jenna Riemersma
20 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I talk with Jenna Riemersma, author of the book, "Altogether You: Experiencing personal and spiritual transformation with Internal ...
IFS and Unblending on a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. Solo Epi!
13 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I share my experiences with my own system on a tough day. You will hear from my parts who like to be dramatic and exaggerate. You w...
Somatic IFS with Susan McConnell
06 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I speak with lead trainer with the IFS Institute, Susan McConnell. Susan recently published a new book on Somatic IFS and it may be...
IFS and a Somatic IFS Meditation with Susan McConnell
04 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Here is a little gift! A meditation pulled from the full Somatic IFS episode which will be released in a few days. Enjoy!
IFS and Belonging with Milena Worsham
30 Oct 2020
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat with IFS Practitioner Milena Worsham as she shares her incredible story of growing up biracial in Texas. Milena is a master ...
IFS and Wisdom of Our Parts with Paul Neustadt
23 Oct 2020
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat with Paul Neustadt, a lead trainer with the IFS Institute. Paul has such a warm, engaging teaching style and I just loved ou...
IFS and Befriending Brain Injured and Pandemic Parts with Laura Schmidt
16 Oct 2020
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat with Laura Schmidt who bravely shares her story of a "life changing event" with openness and vulnerability. It is heartbreak...
IFS and An Introduction to IFS with Derek Scott
09 Oct 2020
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode, I chat with Derek Scott about "What is IFS?" Do you want the people in your life to know what this 'IFS thing' is all about? Well,...
IFS and Self Led Sexuality with Patricia Rich
02 Oct 2020
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I chat with Patricia Rich about Self Led Sexuality. Patricia is a certified IFS Therapist and AASECT Certified Sex Therapist and Su...
IFS and Parenting with Leslie Petruk
25 Sep 2020
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode, Leslie Petruk, Assistant Trainer with the IFS Institute and I get real and honest about parenting. Leslie is a parenting EXPERT- I...
IFS, Marriage and Stepfamilies with Marushka Glissen
18 Sep 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Marushka Glissen, an assistant trainer with the IFS Institute is returning to the podcast to talk about one of her other passions, marriage (See episo...
IFS and Drag Therapy with Leon Silvers
11 Sep 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Welcome back! Here we are - season 2. On today's episode, I chat with Leon Silvers, founder of Drag Therapy and STAR of Drag Heals (well, he is the st...
IFS and Parts Work with Tom Holmes
14 Aug 2020
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode, I talk with Tom Holmes. He and his wife, Lauri wrote the book, "Parts Work: An Illustrated Guide to Your Inner Life." Sharon Eckst...
IFS and Vulnerability in Race Conversations with Nydia Guity
31 Jul 2020
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode, the final for honoring minority mental health month, I talk with Nydia Guity, an IFS therapist, podcaster, writer, and natural hai...
IFS and Your Powerful Voice with Radhalisa Zarzuela and Deran Young
24 Jul 2020
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I speak with Radhalisa Zarzuela and Deran Young. Radha and Deran met at a level one IFS training in Harlem, NY. Radha shares her st...
IFS and Racism Impacts with Requina Barnes and Deran Young
17 Jul 2020
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode I speak with Requina and Deran who share their different stories and life experiences. Requina is the friend Deran mentions in our ...
IFS and Black Therapists Rock with Deran Young
10 Jul 2020
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode, I speak with Deran Young, President and CEO of Black Therapists Rock and the IFS Institute's Online Ambassador. We met to record t...
IFS, Attunement, and Synchronicity with Ed Yeats
26 Jun 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Dr. Ed Yeats and I chat about IFS, Shamanism, and Tibetan Buddhism. Weaved into our conversation from beginning to end is attunement and synchronicity...
IFS and The Why Behind Our Weird Questions with Angela Huebner
19 Jun 2020
Contributed by Lukas
I'm soooo excited about this episode where I chat with Dr. Angela Huebner, a triple threat therapist, writer, speaker. She is very smart and very warm...
IFS and "The Parts Inside of Me" with Shelly Johnson
12 Jun 2020
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode, I chat with Shelly Johnson, author of the fantastic book, "The Parts Inside of Me." Shelly and I spend about half the episode talk...
IFS and Our Silenced Stories with Anne Hallward
05 Jun 2020
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode- the 50th! episode - I get to chat with Anne Hallward founder and host of Safe Space Radio. Anne is passionate about helping others...
IFS and Authentic Movement with Marilyn Unger-Riepe
29 May 2020
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode, Marilyn and I chat about AM-IFS. Marilyn has held workshops for several years at the IFS annual conference and in her hometown of ...
IFS, Body- based therapy, and Shamanism with Jennifer Farley
22 May 2020
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode, Jennifer Farley and I chat about how the body can help us connect to parts and Self. We also talk about Shamanism and its connecti...
IFS-Informed Practicum Training Program with Nancy Morgan and Travis Shubeck
15 May 2020
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode, I talk with Dr. Nancy Morgan and Travis Shubeck. Nancy is the Director of LifeMoves Behavioral Health and Training Programs, a Ca...
Mothers day SPECIAL- Parenting Lunch and Learn with Leslie Petruck
09 May 2020
Contributed by Lukas
On this special episode, I chat with Leslie Petruck for a quick chat about her upcoming workshop which is for ALL parents- knowledge of IFS not necess...
IFS and the Unburdened Leader with Rebecca Ching
08 May 2020
Contributed by Lukas
On today's episode, I chat with Rebecca Ching who is certified in The Daring Way and IFS. I thought about calling this episode IFS meets Brene' Brown ...
IFS and setting up Covid-19 Bereavement groups with Derek Scott
05 May 2020
Contributed by Lukas
In todays episode, Derek Scott and I discuss his Grief Corp initiative and how complicated grief and mourning is for those who have lost a loved one d...
IFS and Stages of Grief Webinar
01 May 2020
Contributed by Lukas
In this solo episode, I share my reactions and realizations while watching the grief portion of the IFS Institute's webinar released this past week. M...
IFS and Coping with Fears during Covid-19 with Chris Burris
24 Apr 2020
Contributed by Lukas
In today's episode, I talk with Chris Burris, a lead trainer with the IFS Institute. Chris and I talk specifically about the current 'stressor' of Cov...
IFS and Education with Joanna Curry-Sartori
17 Apr 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Today's episode is a 'take two' of one we recorded in February on the initiative sponsored by the IFS Institute to take IFS into the schools. We decid...
IFS and Connecting to Self during Covid-19 with Joanna Curry-Sartori
17 Apr 2020
Contributed by Lukas
In an effort to offer "simple and bite sized" help, call it a hug from my Self to your Self, I put together a small portion of an episode with Joanna ...