Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
The New York Times app has all this stuff that you may not have seen. The way the tabs are at the top with all of the different sections. I can immediately navigate to something that matches what I'm feeling. I go to games always. Doing the mini, doing the wordle. I loved how much content it exposed me to. Things that I never would have thought to turn to a news app for. This app is essential.
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I'm Nadja Spiegelman, and I'm a culture editor for New York Times Opinion. The head of Instagram, Adam Masseri, ended 2025 with a provocative post about authenticity and AI, saying, we're going to move from assuming what we're seeing is real by default to starting with skepticism. I'd say that moment is already here, and it's unsettling.
On YouTube, more than 20% of videos shown to newer users are AI-generated. Merriam-Webster declared, slop was 2025's word of the year, and it's not going anywhere in 2026. To talk about how all this AI slop is changing our relationship to the internet, I am joined by columnist Tressie McMillan Cottom and creative consultant Emily Keegan. Hi.
Hello.
Hi. And to start, I want to know, for each of you, when was the first time that you were engaging with something online, thinking it was real, and then realized that it was AI?
I am easily convinced to quickly reshare any sort of funny man on the street content. There was one of a guy saying something that I thought was very funny in a way that I found hilarious. I shared it very quickly. This was Instagram, I'm pretty sure. But something in my gut said that was too funny. You know, it was too perfect for me.
And I went back and rewatched it and then caught the sort of unnatural emotion on the face, which I think is funny. for the time being anyway, is still a tell for AISlop. And so I unshared it so that I wouldn't participate in the AISlop economy. But my defenses are much lower when the content is funny, which I suspect is true for all of us. Can you describe what that emotion was?
Well, one, I felt tricked. So there's that sense of betrayal. And then there was also, if not shame, certainly a little chagrin. If all people, a person who studies and teaches and thinks about and writes about digital technologies and our authenticity crisis and affect and emotion and all of that stuff, the idea that I could have gotten gotten was a little, you know.
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Chapter 2: What is AI slop and how is it affecting our perception of reality?
And both of those things make it very hard to sit with an image and decode it and make sure that it's real. So I'm embarrassed to say I was tricked by that.
Also, you're embarrassed, I think, is one of the feelings. Well, how else did it make you feel?
Well,
Yeah, I was embarrassed because I'm a photo editor.
You know, I came up in news magazines. My job has been to check the truth of an image. That's that was my job is my job. So I didn't do due diligence in this one. And, you know, we can't take candy from strangers anymore. Yeah, is the takeaway.
Yeah, and of course, the scariest element of all of this isn't just when things that are funny are too funny, but the manipulation of these hugely consequential world events and our ability to trust that what we're seeing in the news is actually news.
Like those fake images of Maduro's capture in Venezuela, like people using AI to try to identify the ICE agent who shot at a civilian in Minneapolis. I mean, Tressie, do you think people are getting more savvy or are you worried about this breakdown in trust?
Oh no, there's no way that we can become more savvy. I think one of the things that people certainly in my world who think about the digital space and the social world are pretty much in agreement about is that this is not a problem that developing the right skillset is going to solve.
As Emily points out, everything about the affordances of digital technology, meaning what the app or the tool allows you to do, how it sets up and controls and directs your attention, is designed to overcome pretty much anything that we would train a person to do. So Web 2.0, for example, and certainly Web 1.0, we would say to people, right, you check the person who is sharing it.
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Chapter 3: How do personal experiences with AI content shape our understanding?
And we are having conversations about how to understand those images. And we're seeing a country divided on what they're seeing.
Yeah, I mean, I agree. If we can't even agree on how we interpret real images. And what's so interesting about this Minnesota case is that it also depends on which of these images you're looking at. They're all real footage, but you can see something very different depending on the angle from which it's filmed.
And if we can't agree on how we're reading real images, how can we agree in a world where we can't even know if the images are real? From both of you, I'm curious, how do you think AI and all of this AI content is going to impact media organizations like The New York Times? And what can journalists and media organizations do to keep building trust?
I mean, I think we have a real opportunity for legacy media to be the place where you go to find real trustworthy information. What these organizations have in place are teams of people dedicated to verifying images and facts. And when we are scrolling, having their icon next to an image or next to a piece of information is helpful in verifying it as real.
But I think that one of the things that we should remember is that these, what we're really focusing on here are how images and text come across through tech platforms, namely social media, right? We're talking about what happens when we're looking at the news or entertainment through Instagram X threads, right? And
Those three tech platforms have been built around images and the trafficking of images. And they've done very little design work to help make sure that the person who is looking at that image can understand what they're seeing. And print media has spent a long time figuring out how to make sure that when they print an image, the person who's taking that image in can properly read it.
An image is very slippery. And the way that we understand the world through photography is not actually usually what's inside the frame, but how it's contextualized with text and design around the frame. And none of those three platforms has done any legwork to make sure that those images are being held properly for the viewer to understand what they're looking at.
And now AI is here and they have a lot of work to do.
I would be even more pointed and say, there is no economic incentive for these platforms to do a better job of making consumers more informed and making them more media literate. In fact, the incentives are in the other direction.
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Chapter 4: What emotions do we feel when we realize content is AI-generated?
You can recognize the form of it as being a sentence, a paragraph, a story, or a book, but you do not have the appropriate emotional response to it. Now, we can get mystical and say that there's something about the human spirit, right, that we infuse into our art, and I am not disinclined to believe that.
But I think that whatever that process is, AI can look like reality, but it cannot communicate emotionally to us in a way that resonates as being authentic. So I actually think using the word authentic to only speak about the aesthetics of AI is not exactly right. Something can be very beautiful and still leave you cold.
And what I think people are experiencing is, hey, that was a really cute thing of a cute puppy jumping up and down a trampoline. I should like that. And instead, I don't really feel anything, right? Having said that, we have spent the last 30 years developing a pretty nasty habit of scrolling.
And I think it is going to take a lot more than a couple of, you know, feelings of betrayal to interrupt that loop. I've got to tell you, I'm in a group chat with a group of elderly people who I love and respect a lot. That's why I'm in the group chat. It's my mother and some of her friends.
And I think technologically savvy, right, are used to using it in their work lives and in their personal lives. And they're crazy for AI images. They are crazy about them. They are making them, posting them, sharing them constantly. And you can point out to them. I will say, hey, auntie, you know, that is AI. Oh, yeah, I know. Ha, ha, ha.
They are not actually then looking for or responding to authenticity. They're sort of responding to this the way I think about the art they sell in the mall. Right. Nobody is going up to look at that art so that they can have an emotional experience with it. They're consuming it on a slightly different level. I think the conflation of those levels, though, do create a social problem for us.
But I say all that to say I'm not sure that leaving us emotionally cold is going to be enough to break the habit of using these tools.
Yeah, I think you're creating such a good distinction. There's can AI create art? And art is something that we think of as a way of communing with another soul. And if AI does not have a soul, then it cannot create art. And then there's what are we doing when we are scrolling on our phones, when we are addicted to social media? We're not.
looking for the same experience that looking at a painting in a museum gives us. We're actually looking for a much sort of cheaper, faster emotional rush. And perhaps AI can do that. And if it can do that, we will continue consuming it. Emily, I'd love to know your thoughts.
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