The New Tactic Trump Thinks Will Rally Voters
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All right, starting us off, I have a quick question. What were your first associations with communism growing up? Jamel, you're really too young to remember the Cold War, so how did it come up for you?
Reading the Marx and Engels Reader when I was in high school. That's going to the public library, picking up a copy of the Marx and Engels Reader and reading the Communist Manifesto. That is my association with communism.
Okay, David, my fellow Gen Xer.
You know, Michelle, I bet we encountered communism in a very similar way that you heard about it so much you can't remember the first time you heard about it. Thank you. Yes, absolutely. This was the dominant confrontation of our childhoods, was the confrontation between American and Western democracy and Soviet communism. And so, you know, when I was thinking this through, I thought it's very similar in a reverse sort of way to someone asking me, when's the first time you heard about Jesus? Well, I don't know. I grew up in a Christian home. I don't remember not hearing about it.
For me, I was the child of a Navy veteran. My dad was in the Navy during Vietnam. But it's just it was always out there. You know, I was Reagan era. Mr. Gorbachev tear down that wall. The whole, you know, the Cold War ended when I was in college. So it was just always there until it wasn't. So I ask this because the communist threat is part of what we're going to talk about this week, but not looking back to the 80s or before. We're going to dig into a recent piece, Jamel, that you wrote about how President Trump has resurrected the specter of communism as a scare tactic heading into the November midterms. But first, we're going to take a look at the on-again, off-again war in Iran and whether the U.S.
is headed into a new phase of escalation or even, dare I say it, a quagmire. So maybe the theme of the week is everything old is new again. I'm Michelle Cottle. I cover national politics for New York Times Opinion. And this week, I'm back with my usual co-conspirators, columnists David French and Jamel Bowie. So David, back in June, you predicted that, quote, we might cycle through several more stages of almost war and almost peace. Oh my God, it's like you're psychic. So where are we now in that cycle and how close do you think we are to full-scale war? With the usual caveat that we are taping on Thursday morning and it can go anywhere.
You know, I wanna begin by paraphrasing Darth Sidious from Star Wars. All is unfolding as we have foreseen. That this is, A very predictable outcome, and it's been very predictable ever since. And I really want to commend our colleagues on the news side. They did this really, I thought, insightful analysis in the middle of one of the rounds of negotiations, because we've been through a few rounds of negotiations. And essentially what they were saying was, how do you negotiate a resolution to a war when both sides are zealously committed to declaring victory? And one of the things that you have seen here is one of the reasons why we keep cycling into not fully war, not fully peace, not fully war, not fully peace, is that both sides have this, well, Trump in particular has an aversion to a longer war, and he also has an aversion to having been seen as losing a war, right?
So he's got both of these things going on at once. The one thing he does not want by any stretch of the imagination is for somebody to be able to credibly say, you cut a worse deal than Obama. You were taken for a ride by the nation of Iran. That is the absolute last thing that he wants. At the same time, the Iranian regime also has a desire to be seen as having triumphed over the United States. That's a very important thing, both domestically and internationally, for Iran to be seen as having triumphed over the United States. So you don't just have strategic, long-term strategic thinking going on here. And in fact, on the U.S. side, I would say that an awful lot of people on the U.S. side are not engaging in long-term strategic thinking at all.
But some are, but many are not.
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