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The Pat Kenny Show

The week in US politics

24 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

1.027 - 10.962 Pat Kenny

The Pat Kenny Show. With timber living log cabins. Saturday and Sunday from 10am on Newstalk. Conversation that counts.

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11.443 - 30.756 David Dunn

Fresh corruption allegations swirling around President Trump. Confusion over American troop movements in Europe. A gunman shot dead overnight. near the White House lawn and growing unease among NATO allies, even as Rubio and Trump are suggesting that the Iran peace talks are coming to a conclusion successful at that.

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31.176 - 39.554 David Dunn

Joining me now to talk about all of these is a professor in international politics at the University of Birmingham, David Dunn. David, good morning and welcome. Good morning.

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Chapter 2: What fresh corruption allegations are surrounding President Trump?

39.574 - 57.375 David Dunn

Let's talk about the two developments overnight. First, one was the shooting at the White House where a bystander was critically injured. And the second is the declaration by both Rubio and Trump that things are going well in the peace talks with Iran, with the straightforward rules likely to open soon.

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Chapter 3: What confusion exists over American troop movements in Europe?

58.57 - 78.081 David Dunn

Yes, indeed. So here we have another violent act near the White House and another unfortunate death. And I think what this story tells us, if you delve into it, is just the nature of American society and the violence in American society.

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Chapter 4: What happened during the shooting incident near the White House?

78.061 - 89.979 David Dunn

This chap was known to the Secret Service. He'd been hanging around the White House. By some accounts, he'd had obsession with the White House, a violent history. He turned up saying that he was Jesus Christ and wanted to be arrested.

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90.76 - 108.625 David Dunn

And the fact that actually he ended up being dead at the end of this process tells us that in America, it's easier to get a gun than it is to get mental health provision. And a country whereby your health has access to your employment. And if you haven't got employment, you don't have health care. And if you don't have health care, you don't get mental health care.

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109.106 - 131.998 David Dunn

And if you can buy a gun easily, then these sort of tragedies happen. So I think I'll cast it on this case in that context rather than about the climate of political violence more broadly, which, of course, is a feature of American politics. The second thing is the developments in the talks with Iran. I'm not sure how face to face they are, who's who exactly on each side is talking to the other.

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132.42 - 150.276 David Dunn

But do you believe the reports of progress? There does seem to be an indication that there will be a one-page memorandum announced today, and that does represent progress towards opening the Strait of Hormuz, which seems to be the primary objective of this announcement.

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150.936 - 174.74 David Dunn

That, of course, represents a major concession by the United States, which wanted the whole nature of the agreement to be conclusive in terms of every aspect of it, the nuclear deal, The lifting of sanctions on Iran and the opening of the strait in perpetuity without any tools all being part of one agreement.

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What we have instead is a commitment for there to be no tools in that 60-day period of the extension of the ceasefire.

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We have a lifting of sanctions as part of that package, a gradual lifting of the American blockade, but then ongoing discussions at a place and date to be determined on the nuclear aspects of that in exchange for some vague commitments by the Iranians that they will perhaps allow the enriched material to be transferred out of Iran and that they will give a commitment to not enrich any material for an unspecified period.

212.234 - 238.39 David Dunn

So this does seem to be a concession by America to get the streets open. Now, presumably, this is Trump's attempt to get the price of gas at the pump down before the midterms. Yeah, I mean, absolutely. This is a major factor in the cost of living. This is a thing which will still carry on after this announcement because of the disruption to the world economy. And that is hurting him politically.

238.43 - 255.248 David Dunn

His poll numbers are worse than they have ever been. And also, he is reportedly bored of it. He took a gamble, a reckless gamble, thinking that he could remove the regime in Iran and everything good would flow from that. Fundamentally, he hasn't done that.

Chapter 5: What progress has been made in the Iran peace talks?

803.093 - 827.355 David Dunn

But one of the problems we have with the midterms is that the redistricting, the gerrymandering that's going on in so many Republican-controlled states means that actually the chances of the people having their say are limited. When you have politicians choosing the voters rather than voters choosing the politicians... You actually, again, have a very broken democracy.

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827.835 - 847.024 David Dunn

And the Democrats may get more votes in November, but whether they get control of both houses is limited by the various attempts of the Trump administration to actually influence the way in which those votes are cast. Whether we have a free and fair election in November is still to be determined.

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847.004 - 867.292 David Dunn

Already the gerrymandering and the pushing out of candidates who are in any way opposed to Trump, even within his own party, demonstrates that actually American democracy is still under stress at the moment. David Dunn, Professor of International Politics at the University of Birmingham. David, thank you very much for joining us.

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868.714 - 874.041 Pat Kenny

The Pat Kenny Show on Newstalk with Timber Living Log Cabins.

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