The Pomp Podcast
Bitcoin & AI: The Final Push Before the Biggest Bull Run Yet? | Jordi Visser
27 Sep 2025
Jordi Visser is a macro investor with over 30 years of Wall Street experience. He also writes a Substack called “VisserLabs” and puts out investing YouTube videos. In this conversation we discuss bitcoin outlook for rest of the year, interest rate cuts, how to evaluate AI acceleration, Nvidia’s $100 billion deal with OpenAI, and what metrics investors should keep an eye on.======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: http://pompdesk.com/======================This episode is brought to you by Figure (https://figuremarkets.co/pomp), the platform to Earn and Borrow. Need liquidity without selling your crypto? Figure offers Crypto-Backed Loans, allowing you to borrow against your Bitcoin or Ethereum with 12-month terms and no prepayment penalties. They have the lowest rates in the industry at 8.91%, allowing you to access instant cash or buy more Bitcoin without triggering a tax event.Your BTC collateral is protected by decentralized MPC custody. You can always see your BTC ownership in your FM account and verify holdings in your personal BTC vault on chain. Unlock your crypto’s potential today. Visit their app to apply (https://figuremarkets.co/pomp) for a Crypto Backed Loan today! Figure Lending LLC dba Figure. Equal Opportunity Lender. NMLS 1717824. Terms and conditions apply. Visit figure.com for more information. Figure Markets Credit LLC. 650 S. Tryon Street, 8th Floor, Charlotte, NC 28202. (888) 926-6259. NMLS ID 2559612. Terms and conditions apply. Visit https://figuremarkets.com/borrow for more information.======================Bitlayer is taking Bitcoin beyond just a store of value. For the first time, you can put your Bitcoin to work, earning yield while staying true to its core principles of security and decentralization. Bitlayer is making Bitcoin DeFi a reality. Learn more at https://x.com/BitlayerLabs======================Bitwise is one of the largest and fastest-growing crypto asset managers. As of December 31, 2021, the company managed over $1.3 billion across an expanding suite of investment solutions, which include the world's largest crypto index fund and other innovative products spanning Bitcoin, Ethereum, DeFi, and crypto equities. Whether you’re an individual, advisor, or institution, Bitwise provides intelligent access to crypto with your unique circumstances in mind. Visit https://bitwiseinvestments.com/ to learn more. Certain of the Bitwise investment products may be subject to the extreme risks associated with investing in crypto assets. Visit https://bitwiseinvestments.com/disclosures to learn more.======================TimeStamps:0:00 - Intro1:31 - Interest rate cut and market sentiment 4:20 - Bullish on bitcoin in Q4? 5:54 - How to evaluate AI companies 8:14 - October outlook and uncertainty in the market 12:15 - Evaluating AI replacing human jobs 26:01 - Thoughts on Nvidia’s $100 billion OpenAI deal 35:30 - Merging between AI & bitcoin mining39:04 - Are we going to continue seeing an economic boom? 44:11 - What metrics should investors be keeping an eye on?47:38 - Thoughts on government getting involved with AI businesses 50:27 - What models and tools are Jordi using?
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