Chapter 1: What themes are introduced in the beginning of the episode?
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Good evening, Little Masters, and welcome to episode 411 of the Prancing Pony Podcast, where Matt has been trying to find Shire himself as quickly as he could.
Too bad I don't know how to just open a door. Would be nice, yeah. Folks, pull up a bench in the common room and join us. I'm Matt, the Nerd of the Rings, and it's a piece of singular good fortune for me that the man of the West, Alan Sisto, arrived when he did. So you have become weak and desperate is what you're saying. I've become tired of waiting on you. That's more the accurate thing.
Wow. All right. Well played. I knew you had to find a way to turn it around.
It's the time difference thing. I'm not bashing you. It's just time difference. That's a valid point. I'm not making fun of you yet.
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Chapter 2: How does Saruman's jealousy manifest in his plans?
Or rather, I get comments a fair amount of times making very, let's say, Hippie culture related pipe weed suggestions. And I always have to put a damper on that and say, no, folks, it is just tobacco.
It is exactly. I know. I kind of hate being boring, but we got to be boring. That's what it was.
That's all it is. That's what it is. All right. Well, it is also time to get to the reading, Alan. That it is.
Chapter 3: What role does time play in the narrative of Gollum and Saruman?
All right. What then happened to Gollum cannot, of course, be known for certain. He was peculiarly fitted to survive in such straits, though at cost of great misery. But he was in great peril of discovery by the servants of Sauron that lurked in Moria, especially since such bare necessity of food as he must have, he could only get by thieving dangerously.
No doubt he had intended to use Moria simply as a secret passage westward, his purpose being to find Shire himself as quickly as he could. But he became lost, and it was a very long time before he found his way about. It thus seems probable that he had not long made his way towards the West Gate when the nine walkers arrived. He knew nothing, of course, about the action of the doors.
To him, they would seem huge and immovable, and though they had no lock or bar and opened outwards to a thrust, he did not discover that. In any case, he was now far away from any source of food, for the orcs were mostly in the east end of Moria and was become weak and desperate, so that even if he had known all about the doors, he still could not have thrust them open.
It was thus a piece of singular good fortune for Gollum that the nine walkers arrived when they did. And now we get Christopher's commentary. The story of the coming of the Black Riders to Isengard in September 3018, and their subsequent capture of Grima Wormtongue, as told in A and B, is much altered in Version C, which takes up the narrative only at their return southward over the Limlight.
In A and B, it was two days after Gandalf's escape from Orthanc that the Nazgul came to Isengard. Saruman told them that Gandalf was gone and denied all knowledge of the Shire, but was betrayed by Grima, whom they captured on the following day as he hastened to Isengard with news of Gandalf's coming to Edoras.
In sea, on the other hand, the black riders arrived at the gate of Isengard while Gandalf was still a prisoner in the tower. In this account, Sodom, in fear and despair and perceiving the full horror of service to Mordor, resolved suddenly to yield to Gandalf and to beg for his pardon and help.
Temporizing at the gate, he admitted that he had Gandalf within and said that he would go and try to discover what he knew. If that were unavailing, he would deliver Gandalf up to them. Then Soderman hastened to the summit of Orthanc and found Gandalf gone. Away south against the setting moon, he saw a great eagle flying towards Edoras.
I don't want to be sorry, but in that moment, oh, I mean, we'll get to that. But my goodness, that's got to feel like your whole world is coming down around you.
Yeah. Yeah. Bad news, buddy. Bad news.
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Chapter 4: How does Saruman's character develop through his interactions with the Nazgul?
It's simply because he is always an unreliable source.
Recall earlier when Tolkien had decided to be less definite about the date of Gollum's capture by Sauron since the only unreliable source for this date would be Gollum himself. That's right. But Tolkien still goes ahead and tells us some things based on speculation and on Gollum's nature.
Right. I mean, having lived under the roots of the Misty Mountains for, oh, half a millennium, he is, as the text says, peculiarly fitted to survive. Certainly better than I could say for either of us. What, three days tops?
At the absolute most. I would probably trip in the dark and fall down the long chute that Pippin drops a rock. You're still falling. You're still falling.
Yeah.
Still, it's not fun there in Moria. Great misery, the text says. He can live, but he's not really thriving. No. Yeah, he's not thriving. He's not having a great time of it. No. He was also in serious danger from Sauron's servants that were in Moria.
Although Tolkien tells us in the footnote that these were in fact not very numerous, it would seem, but sufficient to keep any intruders out, if no better armed or prepared than Balin's company, and not in great numbers.
Okay, but how does that square with what we experience when the company gets in there?
Yeah.
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Chapter 5: What comedic observations do the hosts make about Saruman's character?
I hope he's charging Gandalf rent for the space he's taking up at his head.
Right? He has, gosh, what is it? Like little brother syndrome or something going on here.
Oh, my goodness, big time. Yeah. Yeah. It is crazy how bad this is. I mean, it's pretty funny, really. Yeah. Like you said before, it's almost like a comedy in many ways.
Yeah.
The tobacco isn't the only thing. That is a big reason why he's interested.
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Chapter 6: How does Saruman's influence affect the hobbits in the Shire?
It certainly seems to be the initial reason he's interested in the Shire, but let's face it, he's just a power-hungry guy. Any place that he can wield power, but especially if it means at Gandalf's expense. Again, the little brother syndrome. And then it turns out that being a top customer, paying cash apparently, has benefits.
Not only is his spending giving Saruman power, but it's sadly corrupting some of the hobbits. This is particularly sad given what we know about hobbits, but it's definitely happening. The text points to two families in particular, the brace girdles who are big landowners. And I know this is going to come as a shock.
The Sackville Baggins is no, the standup examples of moral living in the Shire.
Yes.
Okay. The footnote here reminds us, by the way, that everybody's favorite umbrella-wielding old hobbit lady was Lobelia Bracegirdle before she married Otho Sackville Baggins. So she's involved on both sides of the family.
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Chapter 7: What role does the Dunlending play in Saruman's plans?
Wow. Yeah. And, of course, their son, Lotho, might have been the worst of them all, as the footnote reminds us. He was called the Chief back at the time of the War of the Ring and was heavily involved in the scouring of the Shire until he was eaten. Matt... Corrupting hobbits, easier than corrupting men, easier than corrupting, probably easier than corrupting dwarves.
But then again, dwarves are greedy. Maybe they're easier to corrupt.
What do you think? I think it depends on what kind of corruption you're talking about. Because financial corruption like this.
Yeah.
Like, yeah. See, that's the thing is, you know, we think of hobbits because of how well they avoid the corruption of the one ring, which tends to be a very grand thing. delusions of grandeur kind of corruption. Whereas I think, I think this more street level corruption street level, you know, like, yeah.
And now I'm picturing like, uh, like a vice squad in the, in the Shire, you know, the sheriffs, the sheriffs, vice, the sheriffs.
Yeah.
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Chapter 8: How do the hosts reflect on the significance of the Shire in the larger narrative?
Shire Sheriffs. And now I'm just picturing cops. I'm picturing this show Cops, but with Hobbit cops and Hobbit victims. Pulling up on a pony. Bad boys, bad boys. What you going to do?
Oh, my gosh. Oh, man. That's too much fun. All right.
Yeah, I don't know. I think... I guess seeing this and knowing what happens with Lotho and just these two families in particular, I think, yeah, when it comes to the more petty, down-to-earth kind of corruption, maybe they're just as capable of men as being corrupted. That's kind of what I'm thinking. There's bad eggs in every bunch kind of thing.
Well, that's certainly true. I mean, there's, yeah. Let's be honest, if the One Ring had fallen to Lotho, he would have absolutely put it on. So we've got the tobacco, we've got the power at Gandalf's expense, and we've got corrupting hobbits. I mean, everyone needs a hobby. But then we've got one more thing, don't we, Matt?
That's right. Saruman's got a hunch the ring is connected to the Shire in some way, at least in Gandalf's mind. Otherwise, why use the Rangers to guard this place? Seriously. So he does what any good leader would do. He starts collecting intelligence.
Now, that is what a good leader would do. That doesn't mean Saruman's a good leader, by the way. That's a good point. A broken clock is right twice a day. I've been waiting this whole episode to bring out this quote because it's one of my favorites. A friend of the show, we did that lovely interview with him last season, Brett Devereaux.
He's got a quote on his blog, Saruman is a dummy-wummy whose plans failed because they were bad. Yeah. he's absolutely right and he has this wonderful flow chart i'll have to link to that that blog post where he talks about all the possible outcomes and how basically they all end up with saruman dead other than he gets the ring and it works exactly like he thinks it does which it probably doesn't
It's so good and absolutely hilarious. He just bashes Saruman up one side and down the other. The point is he just does not make good decisions. But he made a good one here. Gather intelligence. So he uses the hobbits as well as Dunlendish men as his agents, his go-betweens, to gather news of, well, everything.
Yeah, and his efforts increase when Gandalf refuses to work with him. That's right. Well, fine. While the rangers can tell something's up, they don't stop Saruman's servants. After all, to them, Saruman is still an ally.
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