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PDB Situation Report | May 31st, 2025: 50,000 Russian Troops Amass On Ukraine’s Border & No End in Sight for Gaza

Sat, 31 May 2025

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In this episode of The PDB Situation Report: Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky sounds the alarm as Russia amasses 50,000 troops near the northeastern border. Is a new offensive coming? Retired Lt. General Ben Hodges, former commanding general of U.S. Army Europe, joins us to assess the threat and what it means for NATO. As the war between Israel and Hamas reaches the 600-day mark, the fate of dozens of Israeli hostages remains uncertain. Bill Roggio from the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies shares the latest on Israel’s efforts in Gaza. To listen to the show ad-free, become a premium member of The President’s Daily Brief by visiting PDBPremium.com. Please remember to subscribe if you enjoyed this episode of The President's Daily Brief. YouTube: youtube.com/@presidentsdailybrief Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Chapter 1: What warning did President Zelensky issue about Russian troops?

12.526 - 33.012 Mike Baker

Welcome to the PDB Situation Report. I'm Mike Baker, your eyes and ears on the world stage. All right, let's get briefed. We begin tonight with a warning from President Zelensky. Ukraine says 50,000 Russian troops are now masked near the border, sparking fears, of course, of a new offensive. Former commanding general of U.S.

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33.072 - 55.04 Mike Baker

Army Europe, retired Lieutenant General Ben Hodges, joins us with insight. Later in the show, this week marks 600 days since the war between Israel and Hamas began when Hamas kicked off this conflict with those brutal 7 October 2023 attacks. For the families of the hostages still held in Gaza, each one of these days has been a living nightmare.

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55.421 - 76.399 Mike Baker

We'll bring you an update on the latest with Bill Roggio of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies. But first, our Situation Report Spotlight. Tonight, Ukraine's President Zelensky is sounding the alarm. According to the latest intelligence from Kyiv, more than 50,000 Russian troops are now massed near Ukraine's northeastern border. Now, this isn't just a show of force.

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76.879 - 98.497 Mike Baker

It may be the prelude, of course, to a new Russian offensive, likely targeting the Sumy region. At the same time, Western allies have reportedly lifted range restrictions on Ukraine's use of long-range missiles, meaning that Kyiv can now strike deeper into Russian territory. Joining us to break it all down is retired Lieutenant General Ben Hodges, former commanding general of U.S. Army Europe.

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98.998 - 102.541 Mike Baker

Sir, thank you very much for joining us here on the Situation Report.

Chapter 2: What insights does General Hodges provide about Russia's military capabilities?

103.228 - 104.509 Ben Hodges

Well, thanks for the privilege, Mike.

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105.429 - 115.576 Mike Baker

The reports that Putin is massing troops on the border of Ukraine and the Sumy region in particular, what do you make of that?

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116.26 - 141.226 Ben Hodges

Well, I have to say I'm skeptical. There may be a lot of troops there, and certainly the Russians would like to try and get momentum somehow. But as General Cavoli said a month ago in his testimony to the House and Senate Arts Services Committee, Russia is losing momentum. On the battlefield, they have demonstrated they do not have the ability to knock Ukraine out of the war.

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141.286 - 166.14 Ben Hodges

They can only kill innocent people with their attacks at nighttime on cities, but they don't have the land power. And certainly they're not integrated with air power supporting land operations the way we would. So while they may have a bunch of troops, I don't think they have a lot of equipment. So I'm skeptical that this is going to be some breakthrough kind of point in the war.

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167.141 - 181.412 Mike Baker

Is it a complete stalemate at this point, or is it your impression, and based on what you've seen, that there is slow but some progress by the Russian military in terms of taking territory, as small as the gains may be?

182.148 - 209.91 Ben Hodges

Well, I mean, you could imagine that there are villages or places where the Russians may gain a thousand meters or two kilometers or something like that. But when you go back to where they were, I mean, frankly, today, the situation on the ground is not one bit better for the Russians than it was before 22 February or about the time that they launched their large-scale invasion.

210.49 - 238.655 Ben Hodges

And yet since that time, they've lost close to 900,000 casualties. They are using museum pieces for armored vehicles. They've got soldiers attacking in golf carts and scooters. So I think that they can still put lots of troops on the ground, but these are not going to be well trained and they're not going to be part of a mobile armored formation that can penetrate Ukrainian defenses.

239.275 - 267.196 Ben Hodges

Now, I don't want to overstate this. For the Ukrainians, obviously, on the receiving end of these attacks, they're getting pounded with drones and artillery and rockets. And it's still a very, very difficult close fight. But I try to think... more broadly about what's going on. And here we are after 11 years with Russia having every advantage. They still cannot knock Ukraine out of the war.

267.256 - 272.741 Ben Hodges

Their air force has still not gotten their superiority. The Black Sea Fleet, nobody even talks about it anymore.

Chapter 3: Is there a stalemate in the Ukraine conflict?

273.762 - 303.372 Mike Baker

The question that I'm trying to get to is, and part of this is a speculation, obviously, but do you think that in Putin's mind, what little progress they may be making. Again, assuming it's just not a stalemate at this point where nobody's moving in either direction. Do you think that he views that as sufficient reason to continue the effort?

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303.532 - 324.704 Mike Baker

I mean, there must be some reason for amassing some 50,000 troops up there on the border with the Sumi region. So, I'm wondering, and again, I realize that, you know, I'm asking you to speculate a little bit here and get inside Putin's mindset, but... Is the scenario that we're looking at where Putin thinks, okay, I've got enough progress. I believe it looks like the U.S.

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324.784 - 333.852 Mike Baker

may be backing away from Ukraine perhaps. And so why would I sit down at the negotiating table?

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334.909 - 359.786 Ben Hodges

Well, you've put your finger on it. The decisive part of this war now is what's going on inside Putin's head. He obviously doesn't care about casualties. That's not his concern. And this war is not going to be won because the Ukrainians finally killed a million or a million plus Russians killed or wounded them. And they'll probably hit that million number by the end of the summer.

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361.547 - 364.269 Ben Hodges

It's as long as Putin thinks that he can win.

365.289 - 389.622 Ben Hodges

which means as long as he believes that the West is not going to actually give Ukraine what's needed, support Ukraine with what's needed, both in terms of real support, but also the West using its economic power to wreck Russia's oil and gas industry, and especially if he sees or believes that the United States under this administration is not going to help,

390.402 - 410.488 Ben Hodges

And I think he keeps on going because he has never backed away from any of his stated objectives. He still doesn't recognize Zelensky or refuses to recognize President Zelensky as a legitimate leader. The Russians have zero interest in actually coming to a negotiated settlement. So as long as he thinks he can win, he'll keep doing this.

412.775 - 438.998 Mike Baker

So do you interpret their latest, whatever you'd want to call it, it's not an olive branch in any way, but their suggestion of a meeting in Istanbul on Monday, on the 2nd of June, to discuss terms of a ceasefire or a peace of some sort, do you interpret that as just a stalling tactic or just stringing along the U.S. and the West?

440.397 - 461.643 Ben Hodges

This is just more nonsensical noise from the Kremlin. They're not interested in actually having a conversation. And you see what they're doing. And so far, our president has been completely reluctant to do anything that causes pain or problems for the Russians.

Chapter 4: What factors influence Putin's decision-making in the Ukraine conflict?

530.626 - 553.179 Ben Hodges

Well, I think you're right that the White House is not on the same project train as the Russians. And that's been the problem from the beginning. The administration's approach, I think, was doomed to failure from the very start because they never really understood or appreciated the history, the culture, the geography, why Ukraine is fighting, what the Russians actually want.

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554.64 - 570.007 Ben Hodges

And you'll remember back in the beginning of the administration where Secretary Rubio said, Well, obviously Ukraine's going to have to give up something. That's before any negotiation. I mean, that doesn't quite sound like art of the deal to me, you know, when you start by giving up something.

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570.628 - 591.216 Ben Hodges

And, you know, the president, the couple of rare times where he was critical of Putin, he also would badmouth President Zelensky also. And so the Russians can see this. And The fact is, I mean, they're mocking the president. You know, two days ago or three days ago, the president said Putin's gone crazy. I don't know what happened.

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591.796 - 608.623 Ben Hodges

You know, then Peskov, the spokesman of the Kremlin, says, well, obviously, the president is under great emotional stress. I mean, they're haunting this administration. And I kept hoping for the last few months that the president would finally be so confident

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609.83 - 631.929 Ben Hodges

angry and irritated with what their how the russians are making us look foolish and frankly making him look foolish and weak that he would say okay i'm i'm sick of this and he would use all the enormous leverage that the president of the united states has whether it's to provide ukraine everything they need or to help european countries stop these

632.629 - 646.301 Ben Hodges

illegal Shadow Fleet vessels that are taking oil and gas out of the Baltic Sea and Black Sea, or do something in the markets that would lower the price of oil and gas so much that it would wreck Russia. He's done those things, and I don't think he ever will.

647.382 - 666.309 Mike Baker

General Hodges, I want to pick up on that point when we come back, but if you could stay right where you are, we do have to take a quick break, and then we'll be right back with more from General Hodges talking about Ukraine here on The Situation Report. Stick around. Welcome back to the Situation Report. Joining me once again is retired Lieutenant General Ben Hodges.

666.489 - 694.817 Mike Baker

He's the former commanding general of U.S. Army Europe. Sir, we were just talking about the reluctance of the White House, or however we want to describe it, to impose more pressure, more sanctions on the Kremlin. And I guess once again, I seem to be asking you a lot of questions that require you to speculate. But why do you think that the White House hasn't moved at this stage?

694.877 - 699.139 Mike Baker

Why do they seem so reluctant to push the Kremlin harder?

Chapter 5: What are the implications of the U.S. and EU's support for Ukraine?

959.022 - 984.457 Ben Hodges

so there's a economic problem as well as the security problem so i think they're recognizing i think they've come to the conclusion frankly that this administrator administration is not going to actually do anything of substance and therefore um this has been put completely in their lap and that's why you've got uk and france and now germany uh much more forward-leaning on support to ukraine

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985.357 - 1007.095 Ben Hodges

Now, they should have been doing this all along, but the fact is they are stepping up to do it now. The new Bundeskanzler, Mr. Merz, indicated that he's not going to talk publicly about, you know, what they provide and don't provide anymore, which I think is probably smart. You know, we should quit advertising. Okay, we just said 10 more, whatever.

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1008.616 - 1032.394 Ben Hodges

And they are going to invest a lot of money in Ukrainian defense industry, particularly on helping Ukrainians develop their own long range precision strike capability. So whenever this aid looks like this is a positive thing that I think Europeans know they have to do it for their own security is this is not charity for Ukraine. Mm hmm.

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1033.464 - 1054.578 Mike Baker

Mertz, yeah, you made a really good point there. He did say, after there was a bit of a kerfuffle over will they, won't they provide the Taurus, then he commented that Germany's going to do everything possible to help Ukraine develop their own capabilities internally to produce long-range missile systems. What's the timeline on something like that?

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1054.618 - 1065.01 Mike Baker

That would seem to imply that there is no ceasefire in the works, there is no truce down the road, that at least the EU is looking at this and thinking this is a longer term, even though it's been three years already.

1066.141 - 1084.711 Ben Hodges

Well, once again, you put your finger on an important point. The Ukrainians, by the way, I don't think any serious people will show up in Istanbul from Ukraine on Monday. They know Russia better than we ever will. And they know that the Russians actually have zero interest in a real set of negotiations.

1084.772 - 1101.838 Ben Hodges

And, of course, Ukrainians also know that the Russians cannot be trusted, would never live up to any agreement. That's why they've insisted there has to be a ceasefire. before you can get to real negotiations. So, all the talking, everything that's been going on so far, that's just to try and get to a ceasefire of some sort.

1102.338 - 1127.469 Ben Hodges

And the Russians have made it clear they will not do a ceasefire until they get some kind of deal in place. Well, that's the exact opposite side of this. And so, I think people are realizing this is going to go on a lot longer. I do anticipate, at least what I read today, that what the German government is planning on doing, that there will be output, let's say, before the end of this year.

1127.569 - 1146.622 Ben Hodges

Some new capabilities that are perhaps already in the works, but this economic boost from Germany and maybe even some technology boosts. And of course, that's why the Russians immediately threatened Germany. They said, well, obviously the Ukrainians can't do this without Germany. So if they do, they will have to strike Berlin. That's a big, giant, fat, empty, empty threat.

Chapter 6: How is the situation in Gaza evolving with Israel's new offensive?

3014.682 - 3044.801 Mike Baker

If there's one word that people use to describe you, look, again, I think it's a very valid point. I can see... Look, again, it's kind of like the way the world operates. I can see your point and I can see the idea anyway, the concept of having some engagement at this early stage when you're trying to feel this new potential government out. But I can see problems with both plans.

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3045.982 - 3070.233 Mike Baker

And so typically, as is usual in this world, you end up choosing the the least worst, I suppose. But Bill, I got to tell you, as always, love having you on the show. At some point, you're probably going to start demanding producer credits here. But Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, editor of the Long War Journal. Bill, thank you so much, man.

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3070.474 - 3090.643 Mike Baker

And I hope you'll pick up that phone the next time we call you because we'd love to have you back. Well, that is, what a great guy, right? Bill Rocio. Anyway, listen, that's all the time we have for this week's PDB Situation Report. As always, if you have any questions or comments, please reach out to me at pdbatthefirsttv.com. You know what we do with your comments and your questions, right?

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3091.584 - 3116.874 Mike Baker

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That's all you have to do. It's very simple. I'm Mike Baker. Until next time, well, you know the drill. Stay informed. Stay safe. Stay cool.

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