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China Decode: Why China Keeps Selling U.S. Treasuries
26 May 2026
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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I just think that it's super interesting at a macro level that these two countries, because of trade and strategic alignment, have come closer and closer. And it's sort of Kissinger's nightmare, right? We're living in a kind of reverse 1970s where Russia and China are getting closer together rather than the U.S. getting closer to both Russia and China individually. Welcome to China Decode.
I'm Alice Han.
And I'm James King.
In today's episode of China Decode, we're discussing the future of a gas pipeline between Russia and China, China's massive sell-off of U.S. treasuries, and the world's first commercially approved brain chip. All right, let's get right into it. Russian leader Vladimir Putin visited China just days after President Trump left his own bilateral summit in the country.
A centerpiece of the agenda was the long-stalled Power of Siberia II pipeline, a proposed 1,615-mile pipeline that would carry up to 40 billion cubic meters of natural gas annually from Russia into the industrial heartlands of China. So far, no deal has been announced post-summit, but a spokesperson says a general understanding between the two leaders was reached.
James, this obviously happened right after Trump's own trip to China. We knew this from the get-go. Obviously, the two leaders, Putin and Xi, have a very strong relationship that dates back decades. This is Putin's 25th visit, which is hard to believe, to the country. No other leader at the world stage has met with Xi Jinping before. as many times as Putin and vice versa.
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Chapter 2: What is the significance of the Power of Siberia II pipeline for Russia and China?
And it's clear that this relationship between Putin and Xi is a personality-driven one. They clearly have, I think, a deep affection and respect for each other. But going beyond that is the amount of trade coupling that has happened. between Russia and China since the Ukraine war began. So trade between China and Russia has basically doubled from 2020 to 2024.
That is, to your point, mainly driven by hydrocarbons, oil, and gas. China increased its imports even this year of Russian oil by 35%, and total trade is up nearly 20%. And more importantly, Russia is China's largest single source, I mean, country-wise, of crude oil. That's about 20% of its crude oil imports. So
In a period in which we've seen China being on the chopping block in terms of de-risking and decoupling, it seems like we've seen something in the reverse strain, which is a coupling between Russia and China on the trade front. And we haven't mentioned on technology as well. You know, we see in the data a lot of Chinese exports of semiconductors.
of autos, of trucks, of drones going into Russia or drone components, even though technically these should not be allowed based on the sanctions regime in place. But right now, I think the thing that is really stalling the pipeline, and I'm curious to get your thoughts on this, is about pricing. It seems like at the strategic level, the leaders love each other, the relationship is great.
But what is holding this pipeline back, which is going to be considerable in terms of the energy flows of gas from Russia to China, is the fact that the two sides can't agree on who's going to foot most of the bill. So according to some reports, China is reportedly looking for pricing that is about half of what the Russians are expecting in terms of the power of Siberia, too.
And I think this is somewhat stalled because ultimately the two sides can't really agree on pricing. It remains to be seen if there's enough pressure to get this going because of what's happening in the Middle East. But right now, as someone who looks at the China energy situation, it seems like the Chinese went into the conflict in Iran long in terms of supply of LNG, of gas.
Their reserves have not been as depleted as their crude oil reserves. So maybe in the short term, there isn't an impetus to really push this pipeline forward. We shall see. I just think that it's super interesting at a macro level that these two countries, because of trade and strategic alignment, have come closer and closer. And it's sort of Kissinger's nightmare, right?
We're living in a kind of reverse 1970s where Russia and China are getting closer together rather than the U.S. getting closer to both Russia and China individually.
Yes, so right, Alyssa. I think price is one of those things that always tells the true story, isn't it? The truth of this relationship is that although people talk about it as the Chinese government once wrote, a no-limits partnership between China and Russia, The truth is that under the surface, there is considerable tension. There always has been, there is right now.
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Chapter 3: How has the relationship between Russia and China evolved post-Ukraine invasion?
So we saw that close to $4 trillion of gold held by not just PBOC, but other central banks around the world, because people were not so sure about, A, the debt sustainability of the US. We've got public debt to GDP in the US now north of 120%. and rising, and unclear about the US's role as the world number one, the world hegemon. And so there are recurring questions you get.
There's a lot of panels I'm sure that you and I get invited to about whether or not China will overtake the US in terms of reserve status. But we're starting to really get, I think, consternation amongst central banks around the world about the debt sustainability of the US and the strength and reserve currency status of the dollar.
And certainly I think what has happened even more since the conflict in the Middle East erupted is that you're seeing a lot of central banks now trying to sell down UST bills to get cash to buy as much oil as they can and at whatever price because we're so supply constrained. That I think is a global phenomenon, but certainly we are starting to see
in the last year or so that China has been selling down some of its treasury holdings, at least what's publicly available in the dataset. Still about 50% of the FX reserves at around $3 trillion are in US bonds. But I've seen noticeably since the Russia-Ukraine war broke out, since we started to see FX sanctions on Russia in 2022, that China has been diversifying on the margin by increasing
its currency exposure to other currencies but also its exposure to gold and commodities but how do you see this very interesting yeah i mean china's big problem has always been that it has a huge trade surplus every year i mean last year it was a record in history i believe certainly for peacetime 1.2 trillion us dollars and it's got to put those dollar earnings somewhere
So it puts them in its foreign currency reserves. They're also held in different packets, in state-owned banks, etc. But just for simplicity's sake, they go into the foreign currency reserves. And then China has the question, how do they invest such an enormous amount of money in in dollar-denominated assets somewhere around the world. That's the key problem that they have.
And so in the past, their answer was, well, we'll buy U.S. Treasuries because there is enough U.S. Treasuries. We can sink trillions into the U.S. Treasury market. But as you say, according to the U.S. government data, It looks like China's been selling down its holdings of treasuries quite substantially over the last few years.
And this does tend to raise questions over the sustainability of the dollar's dominance over the financial system. I wouldn't put it any more categorically than that. I would just say that it raises questions. I'm not making any bold predictions here. These are very complicated flows.
The other thing I'd like to point to is the possibility that the selling down of US treasuries by China over the last few years is primarily a data function.
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