The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump's Immigration Crackdown and the Democrats' Muted Response
Tue, 28 Jan 2025
Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov dive into Trump’s whirlwind first week back in office. From immigration crackdowns to controversial pardons and foreign aid freezes, they break down the chaos and its implications for the U.S. They also explore why the Democratic opposition is falling short, the balance between confrontation and compromise, and how moderates fit into the current political climate. Follow Jessica Tarlov, @JessicaTarlov. Follow Prof G, @profgalloway. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What happens during Trump's first week back in office?
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Chapter 2: How is Trump redefining immigration policy?
So you could argue it's leadership. I like what you said, the world's largest branding event. I hadn't thought of it that way. I think that's really interesting. At the same time, you're sort of flooding the zone, which is so much shit or actions that wouldn't have flown before.
And one of the things about our government, the reason why we have three branches, is it's meant to have this wonderful intransigence where we sometimes to a fault wrestle stuff to the ground and really examine it. And there's just none of that now. I would give more points to the Trump administration than I would give to the Democratic Party right now, who appears to be just caught flat-footed.
In this mix of, can you believe this shit, we don't know what to do, and trying to sign up for this PBS Hallmark Channel bullshit of, we need to come together, we need to cooperate with the president. They're all in such shock about this win, and while it was a small number of votes, they went kind of 7 for 7 in swing states, they're all trying to pretend to be more moderate.
Und sagen, ich werde mit dem Präsidenten arbeiten und sie wollen nicht direkt aus der Box kommen. Scheißpostung. Ich denke, das ist eine fehlende Strategie. Ich denke, sie wollten Krieg. Ich denke, wir sollten es haben. Ich bin nicht bereit, einen Insurrectionisten und einen Rape-Mann zu normalisieren. Also glaube ich, das macht mich nicht moderner, weil ich nicht zu diesem Thema signieren werde.
I don't agree. I think Democrats and moderate Republicans need to come to the rescue. I think some of this stuff is just so over the line and so un-American, rescinding the security detail of people who he doesn't like.
With live Iranian threats to their lives. I mean, if you have Tom Cotton, maybe the hero in all of this, which is frightening to me.
Well, he wants a security detail when he's out of office.
Well, he definitely wants one on January 6th. Oh, that was Josh Hawley, who was running away like a little girl. No offense to little girls. Some of it is just petty. Some of it is the revenge tour. Some of it I do think is rooted in a genuine ideology, but then it's always taken one step further. And I've been thinking about this notion of...
What is the kernel of truth that gets us to the crazy place that we've ended up? Because a lot of what's going on right now, I believe, is Democrats' fault. We walked into very specific traps. And so we ended up with people telling us, essentially, I want a bloodless revolution. I want the establishment so far away that I can't even see Nancy Pelosi. All of this makes me sick.
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Chapter 3: What are the Democrats' responses to Trump's actions?
And now people are running around saying, oh, well, Donald Trump is the toughest on immigration. No, actually, Barack Obama was the toughest on immigration. And we have been deporting a lot of people. People don't know that border crossings are down 55% at the end of the Biden administration, after obviously a huge surge in the beginning. So, we need a new digital strategist. That's for sure.
The next time around that we do this. And I don't know, have you listened to any of Chris Hayes' interviews about his new book about attention and the attention economy?
Oh, that's a new term, attention economy. Let me think. I started using that about 15 fucking years ago. Anyways, what did Chris Hayes say? He's discovered the attention economy? What does Chris have to say?
No, he didn't. No, I... He didn't discover it, but he's talking about it in context of recent outcomes and this race just to be the first person to say something that someone sees on their phone and how meaningful that is for that. And I cannot think of an instance where Democrats were the first people to be able to say something. It's always the Republicans and usually it's Trump.
Well, just starting there. So first off, I would like to see the, what committee would it be? Wir brauchen, in meiner Meinung, wahrscheinlich nicht Musk, weil ich denke, es wäre zu viel Spektakel und er bräuchte mehr Macht. Er ist wie einer von diesen Villen in einem Comicbuch, dass je mehr du ihn ausmachst, desto stärker wird er. Aber die Kommerz-Science- und Transport-Kommittee
in meiner Meinung, Hörungen in der Technikindustrie, die Einfluss auf die Demokratie und ihre Wahlsituationen haben. Denn es gibt, glaube ich, jetzt emerging Evidence, dass Musk und Iaccarino Twitter-weaponisiert haben, und zwar mit der Erstellung von Tausenden und Tausenden Accounts, um Missinformationen zu erhöhen.
Und es hat im Grunde genommen nur eine Menge Propaganda-Misinformationen verbreitet, die einen wirklichen Einfluss auf die Wahl hatten. Ich bin mir nicht sicher, ob es legal ist. Es ist eine private Firma. Er kann damit, was er will.
Aber ich möchte, dass sie da oben unter Verzeihung sagt, ja, ich wusste, dass er Tausende von Bots gegründet hat, die sich für Menschen vertreten, und wir hatten Informationen oder Lügen, die wir wussten, dass sie Lügen waren. such that it would influence the outcome of the election. I just want her to go on record saying that so Americans know what they're dealing with.
And they have very effectively, even if it's Umberto Eco, the Italian philosopher, said along the lines of the attention economy, that it's not what you're famous for, it's just about being famous. So say something incendiary, and as long as you're dominating the news cycle, I mean, I feel like Republicans are dominating 90% of the news cycle right now.
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Chapter 4: What does it mean to be a moderate in today's political climate?
Anyways, and the priest, Robert De Niro, is trying to get everyone they know they're coming to prepare for war. And the priest says, we're about nonviolence. And they're slaughtered, of course. I just watched a movie called 24, which is about the most famous Norwegian spy of all things in a A woman stands up as he's speaking to this university saying, why didn't you try nonviolence?
I feel like the Democrats have decided to try nonviolence. And I'm like, Cersei, I choose violence. This is not working. Sitting around trying to pretend we're taking the higher ground and we're going to work with the president. It hasn't worked, folks.
We need to be calling balls and strikes here and saying that this is when you have the president saying things like polluting blood and then you have the person who, in my opinion, weaponized a platform to get him elected, telling the far right party in Germany, you shouldn't dilute your culture. I mean, this is pre-Hitler shit. Thank you for my TED Talk. Okay, let's take a quick break.
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Chapter 5: How does social media influence political narratives?
The whole point was that you don't want people showing up at port of entries. I mean, there are tens of thousands of people who have been waiting in Mexico, some upwards of a year, to do this the legal way. Also completely forgetting the fact that people who are here illegally do have rights.
That is enshrined in our Constitution, that they have a right to legal counsel, that they have a right to due process. And the DOJ has new directives. This is one that... I thought, this can't be real. Where they're now telling legal service providers who get federal funding not to do their jobs, not to help these immigrants that are here who might have a completely legitimate asylum claim.
I already mentioned Yeah, and women in World War II. Ja, The Wasps, which is such a great name for it. And it was Katie Britt from at the center from Alabama who tweeted, oh, this must be a mistake. And within a couple of hours, the new Defense Secretary Pete Hegsteth was like, you know, I've fixed it. But that feels like one of those circumstances where they were trying it on. Right.
They thought, well, we could just go ahead and get rid of these things. And if someone catches us, so what? You know, we'll put it back up.
And we're in the news.
Ja, genau. They can't tell people what's going on with something. Yeah, exactly. And the foreign aid freeze is just totally frightening.
And we're trying the World Health Organization to your point about sticking our chin out. You know, I believe Biden's first executive order had to do with transgender athlete athletes rights. And it took him three years for an executive order on immigration to your point.
illegal border crossings had dropped to about 45 000 in december of 2024 but in december of 2023 a quarter of a million people came across the border illegally what i find sort of ironic and telling about these i don't know what the term is roundups or you know when they the ice shows up they've decided the most efficient place to quote unquote Ja, genau. Aber wir hatten das kommen.
Wir haben das Problem vererbt. Es wurde aus der Kontrolle. Und so wie man nie wirklich visuell ein Pendulum im Mittelpunkt sieht, haben sie sich vorgeschlagen. Sie haben sich vorgeschlagen und zurückgeschlagen. Und ganz ehrlich gesagt, ich habe kein Problem mit Deportationen von undokumentierten Arbeitern. Lass uns mit denen beginnen, die im Gefängnis sind.
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Chapter 6: What are the implications of the current political chaos?
I was talking to a friend of mine whose brother is 30 years old, went on a bachelor party. 13 guys, 10 of 13, voted for Trump. And these were all liberal-minded guys. They went to university together.
And what we were discussing that I found so interesting, and it links also to the discussion about what's going on with higher education, is that we just are seeing now amongst young people a new definition of what sounds smart. So it used to be, you know, all of your degrees, your level of credibility was directly connected to how fancy the school you went to was, right?
Like what kind of job you had, you know, how that you knew which fork went with which, right? Like going back to the pretty woman scene, right? Slippery little suckers, right? Like that was what low class looked like. And high class looks like someone who dedicates their life to public service, but also has a trust fund that they're relying on and went to Harvard for everything.
And now the people that are revered or that folks think are smart are the ones who are asking questions incessantly. And it doesn't matter what they're questioning. Like RFK, well, I'm just asking questions, right, about the measles vaccine or fluoride in the water or whatever it is that day. And the right has...
Weaponize that against us to an incredible advantage because all of these young people who are smart and very well educated now think that it is cool and forward thinking and what they want to see in leadership for people to not actually know the answers to questions. And I don't know how you rectify that because, you know, I talk to my toddler and she's asking questions all the time, right?
Like, but why, Mom? Mami, why? Why do we do this? Why are you going here? Why do I have to brush my teeth? Why do I have to make my bed? And then you fast forward to where she'll be in 25, 30 years. Let's say, is she going to think Joe Rogan is the smartest person in the world because he's just asking questions? I mean, even Lex Friedman.
Someone who is a very traditionally smart person, right, in terms of education and productivity, is just asking questions. Like asking Zelensky, why don't you just give up your country? And that's what passes now as the folks that we should be looking up to.
And that's leading to a set of government officials who are also doing that same thing, who are just flooding the zone with wild questions that then leave them with this... Routes that they can go through to throw all of this administrative shit at the wall. And we're ending up with a government that I'm sure will be in complete crisis in a
Ja, es ist definitiv, ich meine, wir sagen das ein paar, dass wir in uncharted Territory sind. Es scheint, als ob ich nur, du hast etwas gesagt, das, ich weiß nicht, mich interessiert, weil du mehr darüber weißt als ich, aber du glaubst, Cash Patel wird bestätigt und dass es eine Chance gibt, dass Tulsi Gabbard nicht ist. Und ich hätte das verwechselt, aber ich weiß nicht das Letzte.
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