The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
The Economics of Undocumented Labor, Scott’s Plans for SXSW, and Should Parents Leave the U.S.?
20 Feb 2026
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Welcome to Office Hours with Prop G. This is the part of the show where we answer your questions about business, big tech, entrepreneurship, and whatever else is on your mind. If you'd like to submit a question for next time, you can send a voice recording to officehoursofpropgmedia.com. Again, that's officehoursofpropgmedia.com.
Or post your question on the Scott Galloway subreddit, and we just might feature it in our next episode. First question. Our first question comes from Nicole Blevins on Instagram. They say, why isn't Trump targeting companies and CEOs that profit off of the undocumented?
well because we don't want to go after those nice white people yeah it's a fair question and it's if you were serious about immigration it'd be pretty easy you'd put in play some sort of what do they call it biometric screening and it's pretty easy you show up to chipotle and if more than
For every person there that's not a documented worker, we fine you $1,000 a day, and we do random audits, and we fine the corporation. We fine the construction. We fine the contractor. We fine the fast food establishment. There's something like, supposedly, 24% of people working in fast food now are undocumented workers. If you started fining McDonald's $1 million a day until it went down to 1%,
They would figure it out. And by the way, these people would self-deport. They're not here. They're not here to go to Denver Broncos games or to go to In-N-Out Burger. They're here to make money. If they can't make money or find jobs, they will meld back and self-deport. But no, we'd rather terrorize them, demonize them instead of going after the people.
It's a demand problem, not a supply problem in the sense that if the demand goes away, they'll go away. They'll self-deport. So your question is the correct one. Unauthorized immigrants made up about 6% of the U.S. workforce in 2023, a record share, and that share is higher than their share of the total population.
According to Pew, construction is 15% of the workforce for unauthorized immigrants. As someone who's constantly renovating houses, I can tell you no domestically born professional is willing to work outside. Plumbers and electricians are the last place that you find natural born US citizens.
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Chapter 2: What are the business incentives behind undocumented labor?
Try and find a natural born US citizen who for 30 or 40 bucks an hour will get on a roof in the Florida sun and start roofing. or do landscaping or, you know, swing a hammer. They just won't do it. So this notion that, oh, we need to bring back, we need less competition for our good workers to raise wages, bullshit. They don't want to do, domestic workers just don't want to do this work.
Leisure and hospitality, 8%. Agriculture, 14%. Yeah, graduate from Carnegie Mellon and go pick fucking grapes or get a junior college degree or drop out of high school and see how many people actually want to go pick lettuce. Thank God. And by the way, who's going to wipe grandma's ass?
Have you noticed how many foreign-born nationals from Jamaica and the Philippines who have this wonderful, more empathetic, kind of caring, gentle culture make for fantastic home health aides with all of these old people everywhere? Who's going to do that? Do you know how much it costs?
I was with someone who's a senior executive of Reddit, and she was telling me they're interviewing, her and her wife are interviewing for a nanny, a full-time nanny. Her wife's a baller too. The cost for a domestic, papered, legal, whatever you want to call it, domestic nanny in Manhattan, 150 grand a year. 150 grand a year.
A 2018 study by the Migration Policy Institute estimates that 13% of childcare workers are undocumented and almost a third of home healthcare workers are immigrants. In agriculture, undocumented workers make up a particularly large share of certain farm jobs. Estimates suggest they account for about 40 to 50% of hired crop workers, half.
Researchers have estimated that all immigrants, legal and undocumented, contribute about $3.3 trillion to the U.S. economy annually. That's as much as 17% of our GDP. Undocumented immigrants pay about $100 billion a year in payroll, property, and sales taxes. They are paying into Social Security, and most of them will never see a dime of it. So let's be clear.
They commit crimes at a lower rate, and they tax their social services at a lower rate, yet they pay taxes. And that is why we have ignored illegal immigration. We didn't wake up one day and say, oh, no, there's 30 million undocumented workers here. From W to Herbert Walker to Clinton to Obama, we have turned a blind eye to this.
Because the reality is while immigration is the secret sauce of America, illegal immigration is the most profitable segment of immigration. Do some bad people come over and commit crimes? Yes.
Should we not have open borders and have some sort of nation that includes borders and a legal immigration policy that honors the people who wait in line and spend seven or nine years to get in here legally? Absolutely. But the reality is, if you look at the incentives to ignore it, they've been huge because this is the most profitable, flexible workforce in history.
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Chapter 3: What are the consequences of fining companies for hiring undocumented workers?
and that the reason we're cutting Obamacare and Affordable Care Act subsidies to so many illegal immigrants who are taking advantage of these policies, bullshit. They're contributing $6 billion into Medicare. So what needs to happen? You have to have borders. And I think Trump has done a good job on the southern border.
And it is embarrassing the vice president was in charge of the southern border and did such a ridiculously fucking bad job when in one month people can raise their right hand 250,000 times and say asylum and they're led into the country. That made no sense either. David Frum summarized it perfectly. If progressives won't enforce the border, fascists will.
We're now in the fascist part of the program. We need borders, and the way you fix this immigration problem is two things. One, you expand legal immigration. We have a pretty good idea what would be good for the construction, the agriculture, and the home health care industries in terms of what we need in terms of qualified immigrants willing to come in.
and take care of your grandmother for $19 an hour versus $40 if you could even find a domestic worker to do it. We understand the numbers, and we could have allocations, and then we go to every employer with biometrics and say, I'm here with a clipboard, and everybody has to stare into this
this goggle, and if it comes up they're illegal and not documented, we're gonna start finding you a thousand bucks a day. Oh, and by the way, we're gonna make it easier for you to hire documented workers who can play a critical part in our economy. We need to substantially widen the throttle for legal immigration, but also enforce our borders with biometrics and go after
the demand side, go after the employers. But no, Republicans don't want to do that because business owners are our new heroes. That is absolutely the way we should go about having a more ethical, economically sane, logistically doable, non-terror anxiety-inducing immigration policy. Question number two comes from Prox Texas on Reddit. They say... What are you planning for South by Southwest?
Well, the great state of Texas loves a dog. We love it down there. First off, I love the pale blue dot in Texas. I actually love Texas. I was on the board of a company called Dex, which became Thrive, which their headquarters was right next to the DFW airport, which made it convenient. But I enjoy Dallas.
By the way, Dallas has this incredible infrastructure of services for kids with disabilities. How nice is that? Houston, I've never been a huge fan of Houston, but people like it. It always struck me as a city that shouldn't be there. Most cities, it's like two rivers meeting or it's in the middle of the valley. I've never understood why Houston is there.
But it's one of the fastest growing cities in the nation. I think it just became the third or fourth.
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Chapter 4: How significant is the undocumented workforce in the U.S. economy?
And I love Austin. Oh, my God. Tex-Mex, the digital world, all my podcast friends. And I love South by Southwest. I just think it's fantastic. Stay at the proper hotel. Roll down for a drink. Everyone's like, prop G. Everyone loves me there. Everyone loves me there. Everyone's nice to me. So I love South by Southwest. We'll do a couple of live podcasts. I think I'm doing a live pivot.
I think we're doing a live Profiting Markets with Ed Elson. I'll do a bunch of dinners for advertisers so Vox can continue to whore me out like the bitch I am. So, yeah, I got a bunch of stuff planned. I'll be on a bunch of panels and a bunch of live podcasts. But please come up and say hi. I love meeting people there. And I think there's only two things I go to without getting paid.
I usually get paid to do shit like this. South by Southwest and Cannes Lions. Actually, I get paid. When people hear I'm going to Cannes Lions, they're like, hey, come by the Salesforce tent. Well, I'm like, well, you're Salesforce. You got to pay me. Or Nestle. As excited as I am to talk about packaged CPG goods, you're going to need to pay me.
But those are essentially the only two things I go to or would go to without compensation because I think they're just so much fun. And South by Southwest, well, they're different.
South by Southwest is young people in cowboy boots who are like, I don't know, managing the social account for Bottega Veneta and Cannes Lions is the media planner who's about to be put out of work but is holding on at IPG and convinced his or her boss that, okay, instead of giving me a raise, let me go to Cannes Lions for the week. That's a little cynical. That's a little cynical.
Oh, wait, some other things I have planned. I'll be co-hosting a 50-person section launch on Sunday with Greg Shove, the CEO of Section AI. And we're bringing our full property media production team of 16. I did not approve that. I did not approve that. But anyways, I guess they'll be there. So we're planning team dinners on Saturday and Sunday. I show up for drinks.
And then as soon as the young people start to get fucked up, I leave so they can start making out or throwing shit or trashing the place. And no one needs to see the dog trunk. No one needs to see that side of me. They all think I'm so interesting and smart. I'm not. I'm none of those things. Anyways, they don't need to see that.
And then we'll be at the Vox party hosted by Jim Bancroft on Sunday. Limited to the pod host. You know, I get to go with some kind of a big deal and I'm making them a shit ton of money. I'm definitely putting Bancroft's kids through college right now. Anyways, they seem like nice kids, though. We'll be right back after a quick break. Support for today's show comes from Upwork.
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