Chapter 1: What are the latest updates in college sports?
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Welcome back in to the program. I'm Todd Lebo, infrasur in Petro. By God, that's Frank Bowles' music. How you doing, Lebes? I'm doing great, buddy. How are you? Great. We're having a fun Tuesday. Good luck to UCM. Yeah, good luck to UCM. Go get them. KU. Johnson County. Good baseball happening there.
Chapter 2: How does Frank Boal view the current state of the Royals?
Blumen just sent us a text. It really is some good baseball.
Yeah, and Kansas. That's great. Hosting the regional. That's cool. I remember doing a lot of that stuff. I went up and did the... Oh, the old DVDs. You were the voice of the Omaha Chamber of Commerce or something. The College World Series. Yeah. Yeah, back in the day. That was fun because you always get up there.
You go to some sort of a thrift market and find a VHS tape of the highlights of the College World Series from like 1986. Frank Bowles' voice is on. He's the voice. Oh, yeah. Cool. A little extra money, huh?
Yeah, Kerwin Hudson got me in the middle of that. Yeah, that's cool. Kerwin and I did it. A couple grand for that. Did they pay you? I don't know. I don't even remember.
It's just money. Curtis, just not that big a deal to Frank. What's a couple thousand dollars to Frank Bowles?
I mean, in 86, that would have been big money.
Hey, it's everything now. What if you saved all the money?
Oh, God. I don't even want to think about it. Now they give you a tank of gas, and you're like, holy cow. Not even. It's fantastic. Yeah.
They better pay for your way to and from now. Quarter tank of gas. That's awesome. We will talk some Kansas baseball in the 5 o'clock hour with Michael Swain. Good deal. That'll be fun. Yeah. It should be fun. They are hosting. They have an interesting little baseball history because the first time they ever made the tournament was like the way the tournament works now.
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Chapter 3: What challenges do college baseball teams face today?
It was 93, and they made the World Series.
Yeah.
It was like wild. They didn't win, obviously. No. But they made the World Series. Just making the College World Series was hard.
It was very difficult.
Very, very hard. That's what we were just talking about with UCM. They made it six times now. You know, there's some really good power teams in Division II from a couple different regions. You heard Coach Crooks mention Tampa. They're there a lot.
And the best team, like, knocked out there from Colorado.
So, you know, you just got to go figure a way. Like, there's 12 SEC teams in the tournament, okay? Yeah. And there's six Big 10s, there's nine ACC's, and there's four Big 10s, six Big 12s, nine ACC's and 12 SEC's.
Wow.
They're going to cannibalize each other. Some of these will end up, you know, you have a couple SEC teams in a super regional against each other or whatever. But making a super regional is not easy, right? That means you're one of the final 16 teams in all of baseball. And then getting through one of those and making the World Series is cool. I'll say this.
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Chapter 4: How does budget impact college athletics?
The problem is then you can only take 23? 32, I think you have on your roster to go to the postseason. Okay, you're allowed to take 32 kids?
Yeah.
But still, you've got to leave 11 kids behind. You know, that hurts. For a coach, that hurts. There's only nine guys on a baseball field at a time. I know. It's still even just to travel. Like the traveling squad, if you're up.
a um i'm sorry if you're home for games like in college football you got 95 guys out there but when you go on the road you got about 50 so it's just it's a big difference yeah it's for sure i mean listen everyone you take on the road costs money and yeah and i i am worried big picture for like the future of sports like baseball and college athletics because of budgets
and all that, you know, I've seen some of the budget numbers. This is the time of year they kind of come out. Yeah, sure they do. You know, end of May, they have their meetings. SEC's having meetings right now. The school's out right now. Most of the sports are done. The Big 12 meetings will be happening soon. Big 10 just had theirs. Fancy, fancy resorts.
These guys go down there and talk about the money and all that stuff. Like Kansas had the most revenue I think of any Big 12 school last year. But it still pales in comparison to the average of SEC and the Big 10. And, you know, they're at a deficit right now. They're building a stadium. They need the stadium to produce revenue for them.
You know, why do you think Missouri's poured all this money into that football stadium? They're not pouring it in there to make bleacher seats. They're pouring it in there to get more places to get more revenue.
um because you need revenue to go and i think that one of the reasons that kansas revenue is high um you know you get your typical amount from the big 12 for the tv contracts and all that stuff but they charge a lot of money to go to a basketball game oh and more people go to their basketball games and it that's a drop in the bucket to a lot of schools because of the
of their football stadiums and all the football contracts and all that stuff. But for Kansas, it's a big deal. I mean, you don't walk into Allen Fieldhouse on some $8 ticket. There's 16,000 seats there. Now they have some fancier areas that they just did that reno over there to get more revenues coming in. And you have to have that to support what happens with basketball.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of NIL and the transfer portal?
And then football, they're going to be at a reduced capacity this year. The one side of the stadium is not going to be there. But that's a short-term pain for long-term gain kind of deal.
The other side wasn't there last year.
No, they had the whole thing there last year, but they had no games, and then they had the fancy side. This other side's not going to be as fancy, but it's going to be new. But they're building it right now. This construction cam's up. You can see it, but it's not going to be ready to go. So, you know, that's why it's important. They haven't made a bowl game in a couple of years.
They've got to do that. I've looked at some of these numbers. You know who the number two team in the Big 12 was in revenue?
athletic department no it's colorado oh yikes because for a couple of years colorado sold all their football tickets oh that's right everyone was all excited about dion i do not think that's going to continue no you know the the numbers that were like it was that was the hot thing to do for a couple of years to go watch colorado football games that's not gonna be the hot thing to do Right.
If they don't win the games. And I think it'll kind of the deal will wear off.
It's going to come back to normal, yeah.
But there aren't great big football stadiums in the Big 12. No. Not like the Big 10 and the SEC. What's the biggest football stadium in the Big 12? Look it up, Curtis.
What's your first guess? Oklahoma?
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Chapter 6: How do college football playoffs affect team strategies?
No. You know, to do.
They have to get a handle on the transfer portal and the NIL both.
So because it's kind of a runaway train now. You've seen a lot of, you know, you're in a lot of coaches and stuff at some of these meetings. You'll see quotes here and there coming out of this stuff. And they're trying to get some guardrails, but I don't think this thing with the government is going to go through, the SCORE Act or whatever. Yeah, exactly.
You know, and these folks cannot control themselves. Exactly. So there's no controlling themselves. They want to win. There's all these conversations about how many people should be in the playoff. We'll play a soundbite from Greg Sankey here in a little bit. You know, you can't get... You get revenue from the TV deals.
And the Big 12, they're not keeping up with the Joneses on the TV deals with the SEC and the Big 10 right now. And then the other way to make money is to have people put butts in the seats at the games. You said the largest one is 62,000? 62, yeah. The largest one is 62,000. In the SEC, Vanderbilt is small. It's like 40,000. The next smallest one is like 60,000.
So the biggest stadium in the Big 12 is like the 15th biggest stadium in the SEC.
It might be half the size of Michigan.
So you're just like out of... like that chance to make revenue. Because you can't just charge four times as much for a ticket because people aren't going to come.
Or even twice as much. There are two stadiums under $60,000 in the SEC. Missouri at $57,000 and Nashville, Vanderbilt at $40,000.
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Chapter 7: What is the significance of the Royals' performance this season?
Yeah.
Crazy stuff. But let me play the soundbite for you. This is Greg Sankey yesterday to kick off the the SEC media. It's not media days, the SEC meetings. And they they put him up at a podium and he talks in 40 minutes long. But there's all this talk about, you know, 12 team playoff now, 24 team, 16 team, whatever it's going to be. There's been a since he's had this comment.
There was a poll put out where they asked every AD, and the majority of ADs want the thing bigger in the SEC. Yeah, more money. Well, and if there's more teams, you have a chance to get in it. True. Get a bonus for you. I'm an AD, and I get a bonus if my team makes the playoff. Oh, okay, of course.
So anyway, this is Sankey yesterday talking about he seems like he doesn't want, and I think there's some good reason not to make it bigger. We'll talk about this next. Here's Sankey.
When we went from four to 12, at four you'd have teams effectively eliminated from postseason consideration in September and good teams. And as we worked on the working group to move from four to 12, the analysis was if you looked over time, what kind of teams are brought into the conversation? I think there were two ways to group it.
And you have to go back like pre-COVID when this work started, pre-21, 22, the pre-expansion era. And so you had, you know, five conferences plus one. So you'd have those five conferences. Who was around their championship games that had access through the conference champion? And then with a group of six, you had a group of five then, a group of six not. You had a multiplicity.
Each of those conferences had two or three or four programs vying for a conference championship. How might it sort itself out? And then what we did is we looked further to say, okay, in the months of November, the whole it just means more thing is real, so our games will always matter. But would there be additional attention?
And I would quantify Oklahoma last year as a really good example where in the old four-team format, that's a team that's out. November 1st last year, I think that was a Saturday, they played up in Knoxville, had a really tough schedule.
So for all the discussion about nine game and the difficulty of our schedule, that's a really good example of a difficult schedule in November helping a team earn its way into the playoff. And so what we've done is looked at those games that matter at a higher level all the way through. As you expand, there are games that mattered at a certain level that don't matter the same way.
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Chapter 8: How do fans perceive the Royals' management decisions?
But if they're going to start asking football players to play another game and another game and another game, those games don't mean as much as they used to. You're absolutely right. Because now we... If you're in, certainly in the SEC and the Big Ten, I think the way they've got the team scheduled now and there's no divisions and all that stuff, there's no way to sneak into these anymore.
If you had a division, there'd be a reason to have a conference game because one team in one division could have three losses, and this happened a lot in the Big 12 back in the day. You'd have someone from the North not very good. Well, early on, someone from the South's not very good playing someone from the North, and then it turned into someone from the North's not very good playing the South.
Now, if that was for a bid to go to the college football playoff, that'd be one thing. But all that was at that point was a way to spoil someone's season to get into a two-game playoff. Playoff, yeah. You know, not playoff, two-game championship game. And since they've all just screwed the divisions, well, the ACC still has them, but... They're putting them in that way.
And they had a mess last year because Duke ended up winning. Messed the whole thing up. So if you're not going to have divisions, there's no reason to have a title game. And if the title game last year, that hurt the ACC because Duke won and it kept someone out. Because Miami didn't even make the title game. I forget who it was. Somehow Miami didn't make the title game. Was it Virginia?
Yes, it was Virginia. Virginia, yeah. Something like that. But so... The title games, they are good revenue things, and there's contracts on these already. I remember when they brought the Big 12 title game back. That game was worth X number of million per school. It was well worth it.
Some of the schools were never going to be in it, but they were going to get money out of it, so it was worth it for sure because we went a long time without a Big 12 title game. You know, they played everybody, and whoever won was the one. But then they didn't make the playoff, the first four-team playoff, and they said, well, you've got to have another data point. They brought the game back.
So they just chased their tails on these things over and over. So for me, the way I think about this right now, I think, honestly... You could probably play 11 regular season games, not 12. And if we're saying forget the rest of the world and cutting sports everywhere, then no more playing FCS teams.
Right.
That should be on there anyway. For real. And then you don't have a title game. You start that playoff then. Because one of the things that Sankey also talked about was expanding it. It's very busy. At that time of the sports calendar, playing on the weekends, Saturdays and Sundays, have you heard of a thing called the National Football League?
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