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Chapter 1: Who are the hosts discussing the West Memphis Three case?
And I'm Alice.
And we are the Prosecutors. today on The Prosecutors. We continue our look at the timeline in the West Memphis Three case. Hello, everybody, and welcome to this episode of The Prosecutors. I'm Brett, and I'm joined as always by my open-minded co-host, Alice.
Hi, Brett. That actually is completely accurate here because we are on episode four of West Memphis Three, and my mind is truly actually still wide open. I think we said this in episode one. I don't know how many episode ones we have at this point, but I went into this case truly not knowing what I thought because the
So much is reported, and we always know that the reporting doesn't always track the evidence. Episode four of, I don't know, 400, I'm still pretty open-minded. You? I don't know.
We've said we're open-minded. We're recording this before we actually have released any episodes. I know there'll be someone who says we have our mind made up from the very beginning, but it's not true. We are very open-minded, and maybe the most open-minded we've ever been in this case. Because, I mean, this is a case we're still researching. We're still talking to people.
Still having people reach out who want to talk about this case. And I am fascinated by this. Really glad to be doing this with you. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much to those of you who've never listened to us before. Because I'm sure there's some of you. I hope you're enjoying this. But we don't want to waste your time. We're here with our patrons.
And for the last 10 minutes, we've been wasting their time. But we're not going to waste your time. Because you're getting this for free. They're paying for it. So they get all the wasted time. But you guys, y'all are just listening in. to the episodes and the ads, and we're just going to dive right in. Right, Alice?
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Chapter 2: What is the timeline of events on the day of the murders?
I guess we're belly flopping right in at this point because we're 10 minutes into recording, but the rest of you have the brilliance of our editor, Jason, who's able to cut out all that chitchat that so many of you despise. Don't worry. Nary a chitchat will happen in these 400 episodes. It's true. I'm kidding. There's going to be a lot of chitchat.
So just to recap, we are still doing the timeline. We're on the day of the murder. We've reached a point in time where the murders are either happening or have already occurred. So this is an intense time. It's a time to really pay attention because remember, we have three people who are going to be convicted of this crime. They're going to set up alibis later on.
And what happens in this time period is important for both thinking about whether or not they did it and trying to figure out what happened that night.
Exactly. And we've spent, I think, a couple episodes now on the day of the murder. And hopefully we'll get through the day today. No promises. We are getting to kind of the twilight hour. The sun is setting. It is not yet dark. It will be dark soon. And the boys have not been sighted for about an hour. At around 8 o'clock, Jennifer Bearden will say that she called Damien back.
Remember, Jennifer is one of Damien's girlfriends. She is an alibi. But she says that when she calls him at about the 8 o'clock hour, he's not home. So she calls back around 9.20 and he is home at that point. And she talks to Damien until she needed to get off the phone because of her grandmother. Remember, back in this time, again, probably no call waiting. There's one line in the home.
If someone's on it, then it can't be used by someone else. Now, when she asked Damien where he'd gone because she tried to call him earlier, he said that Jason's mother had taken them somewhere, but didn't tell Jennifer where or what they did. Now, Jennifer's timeline will come into question later.
And we're going to do a lot on the alibis and the timelines. So don't worry, we're going to dive into this. But just know, these are all times that are very much disputed.
So at some point between 8.08 and 8.29, Regina Meek, the officer, shows up at the Byers residence. She takes the report of the missing kids and Moore tells her that she saw the boys heading towards Robin Hood Hills and Officer Meek heads that way. By the way, this truly is like a small town because Officer Meek is going to show up just about all over town.
I don't know if she's the only officer there. Around that night. I mean, she's at Bojangles. She is like, you know, dealing with small calls, big calls, missing kids. And she's doing the search by herself. But you will see how this is not only such a tight timeline. This feels like there's crisscross of all the same people.
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Chapter 3: Why are mosquito bites important in determining the time of death?
Because Alice is right. It's wonderful outside and you want to be outside. Right now, we're sort of in a happy place, but very soon the mosquitoes are going to become overwhelming. Overwhelming. And it just gets to a point where you can't do anything because of the mosquitoes, particularly if you live in a marshy area, if you live near a swamp, if you live in a place like the Ten Mile Bayou.
So why is this important? You're thinking, we don't know when this murder occurred. We don't know when the boys were killed. We can't know. But the mosquitoes tell you something. If the boys were still alive at this point, we can assume they're going to be bitten by mosquitoes. Now, not everyone reacts the same way to mosquito bites. I am blessed. Mosquito bites me. It doesn't affect me.
I don't get itchy. Nothing. Nothing happens to me when a mosquito bites me, right? But most people, when they're bitten by a mosquito, it's very bothersome. It's very itchy. It's something that they want to get away from. And it's something that leaves a mark of some sort. The boys, as we're going to see, have no evidence of mosquito bites on them. Now, Alice is right.
Mosquitoes bite living things. Once you die, mosquitoes are not going to bite you. Other insects will, but not mosquitoes. So that means one of two things.
Either by this point, the 8 o'clock hour, between 8 and 8.30, the boys are either dead or they are going to be dead so soon after this that if they were bitten by mosquitoes, there's not enough time for the reaction to occur that indicates mosquito bites.
So I feel like even though we can't say when they're killed, we can say it's sometime right around here because the mosquitoes are so thick that Regina Meek is saying, I'm swallowing them, just standing at the edge of the bayou. I'm swallowing them. That's a big deal to me.
Absolutely. So also in this eight o'clock hour, of course, it's going to be contested in terms of what the timeline is. But Terry Hobbs joins John Mark Byers in looking for the boys. So the two dads, two stepdads are out canvassing the neighborhood looking for the missing boys.
I do want to say, I said last week, there's this question of when Terry Hobbs first went down to Robin Hood Hills. And Jessica of Just the Facts, true crime research, pointed out to me that in a Maury Povich interview in 1994, which is only a year later. John Mark Byers had said that he saw Terry around the woods at this time. So I said it was many years later that he said that.
Turns out that's not true. That's interesting to me. Now, look, just like Regina Meeks went down to Robin Hood Hills. and didn't go in and didn't see anything, it may well be the case that Terry Hobbs did the same thing. But I want to repent of what I said last time. It is probably not the case that John Mark Byers said that for the first time many years later.
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Chapter 4: What is the significance of the Bojangles incident in the investigation?
And she's told through the window that a bleeding black man had gone into the women's restroom about 30 minutes before she arrived, so around 8.15. And not only did he have blood on his face and what appeared to be a cast on one arm, but he also seemed like he was having some sort of mental issue.
Now, minutes before she had arrived, the man had left the premises of the Bojangles, but he had left his mark. Blood was smeared on the walls of the women's restroom. Now, the problem is Regina Meeks, she never goes into the restroom. She never goes into the restaurant. She never looks to see what's there. She collects no evidence.
Basically, she takes this report and she does not investigate further. Now, I think in defense of her, she's thinking just another night in West Memphis, right? Some guy, he's bleeding for some reason. He's probably high. He goes in the restroom. He makes a mess. But then he leaves. The event is over. No big deal. She clears it and she leaves the scene at nine o'clock.
Because, as Alice said, it seems like she is the only officer on call. There's a report of someone egging a house. And so she gets called to respond to that. So she leaves the Bojangles to go investigate the egging.
I know a lot of you, your heads might be exploding right now when you're thinking she didn't go in with some sort of a forensic kit to get blood off the wall so that she can test the DNA, et cetera, et cetera. This is all hindsight. At the time, clearly she is the only one, like I think the beat cop in this neighborhood responding to all these calls.
And what you're supposed to do is respond to things and you have to prioritize. Right now, because they're saying, well, this man, he seems to be having a mental issue. What she's probably hearing is, okay, there's blood on him. The mental issue probably indicates that he is having some sort of event, which is why who goes into a restroom and starts spewing blood everywhere?
If you're trying to wash it off and not leave a mark, that's not what you think. She's not thinking anything's happened to the boys. She has this missing boys report, but in no way were they thinking that there had been a murder. They're thinking these boys are just... playing, you know, well after dark. They're going to show up as most missing children cases actually end up.
Nothing nefarious happened. The kids lost track of time. They're at someone's house and they end up showing up. So no instance does she think that there's actually a homicide to be investigated. And because this man has left, the danger has left the Bojangles. She has a lot she needs to do that night. And unless she has another indication that she needs to be doing something further,
There hasn't actually been a crime, right? Bojangles is a public open to the public restaurant. He's allowed to go in. It's not a crime to go into the restroom of an opposite sex. Creating a mess is not a crime either. You know, so there's all of these things. If you suspected that he was a murderer, you could probably hold him for something. But all of these things kind of.
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Chapter 5: How does the community search contribute to the case timeline?
And that's partly why I think there will always be people who are, unless they can know every aspect of a case, they're like, it was faulty or they were wrongfully convicted, X, Y, and Z. The thing is... There are always going to be unknowns in every single case. And while this is an incredibly frustrating unknown, it is actually not that unusual to have an unknown like this in a case.
And look, we've talked about this a thousand times. I am a big believer that there will never be a theory that answers all the questions. Even if it's correct. Even if you know exactly who did it. Think about the cases we looked at. Murdaugh. There are still questions in the Murdaugh case about how exactly the murders went down. Do I have any doubt that Alec Murdaugh killed his family? No.
I have none. But there are still questions about that. O.J. Simpson. I don't care who it is. There are always questions about... How exactly it happened. Unless you have every event on camera, you're never going to know. And I think this could be one of those. So Regina Meek leaves. She ends up at 1006 Roy Pugh, where the egged house apparently is.
Apparently this house is vacant, which is a little weird. But nevertheless, that's where she goes. That's what she's doing. That's where she ends up. And I think she comes back in the story later on.
Guys, I know I've said this before, but when we got started making this podcast and spending time researching these cases, true crime is not exactly easy for sleep. I honestly didn't think it would affect my sleep as much as it has. After we finish recording, I'm usually amped and up for another hour or so.
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Chapter 6: What evidence suggests a cover-up of the murders?
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Chapter 7: How do witness reports of gunshots affect the case theories?
But because we're truly trying to figure out what's happening, we're going to have insertions of things within the timeline that take it with a grain of salt. It may not all fit into a perfect story. Like Brett said, there will be questions. And some of these facts may have nothing to do with the three boys here. Someone is questioning, what do you mean cover up?
I'm not talking about police covering up things or some larger conspiracy. Quite literally covering up the tracks because the boys were...
thrown into the water and staked down so that they wouldn't float up we know this based on how they are ultimately found so when i say cover up i mean not just killing the boys where they are and running there was some attempt to make it difficult to find them and in fact they were successful the boys are not found this night
Though it seems clear that they are dead this night and they are found a day later. Let's go into the nine o'clock hour. Now it is dark. Ryan Clark goes with some friends to look for Chris Byers. This is like a community event, not like a search party with, you know, national professional search parties. These are just local neighbors.
And this is a fellow kid in the neighborhood who is coming to look for Chris Byers.
now ryan and some friends they go into robin hood hills from the dead end side of the neighborhood remember the neighborhood butts up into this it's barely a forest really when you look at the aerial view now ryan did this because he thought that chris always played on the neighborhood side of the pipe as he was afraid to go across it when they were in the woods near the bayou they heard what sounded like five loud splashes in the water
They also heard what sounded like something moving through the brush. Ryan called out and asked if anyone was there. Remember, at this point, they're just thinking the boys are out playing. Maybe they got stuck. Maybe it's dark now. They can't find their way home. And so he calls out, but nobody responds back.
And so now the kids, they start getting scared and they run out of the woods, which frankly is exactly what I would do. And once they regroup outside of the woods, they went down to the pipe and they crossed it. They searched the other side of the woods. So this is the side that they think that Chris was too scared to cross. They don't actually think he should be on this side, but they run out.
They're scared. They regroup. They're like, you know what? Let's go back in. That was silly of us to be scared. Let's go back in and search again. So this time they cross the pipes and they're searching for about 30 minutes before leaving and going home. But while they're near the pipe, they heard what they described as a gunshot.
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Chapter 8: What roles do key individuals like Terry Hobbs and John Mark Byers play in the timeline?
They describe it as a gunshot, might have been a gunshot. It could have been a pipe hitting something like that. So I do think it's noteworthy they hear it. I wouldn't be thrown off by the fact that it's a gunshot just because I find that most people describe loud, sudden noises that they are not expecting as gunshots.
And again, if they are correct about the sign o'clock hour and what they hear and the brush Again, that whole crisscrossing of the neighborhood, this would have happened almost under their nose. If they were close enough to hear splashes, if they were close enough to hear brush moving, that means the killer heard Ryan and the friends calling out for the missing boys, that they were there.
I don't want to dwell on this, but I feel like this is something people don't talk about enough. This case, one of the reasons to me it's so striking is Yes, it is a testament to how horrific murder can be and how it really can happen right under your nose. These woods are small, they're tiny, and there are so many people around while this is happening.
This horrific thing is happening in these woods right underneath the noses of so many people. And it's just I don't know, it's just it's right there. And anyone could have seen something that solved this case forever, but none of them did. And that is striking to me.
Yeah, absolutely. Like I said, the way I think about this case is just all these crisscrosses. And of course, there's these tiny little holes and they really are tiny based on the timeline and based on the number of people who see things firsthand. And yet we know there are holes and somehow the boys or killers are completely in these pockets of holes that are just so far unknowable.
okay so now around 9 19 this is so interesting because there are so many parents at play here and we know we've heard of terry hobbs terry hobbs is stepfather of stevie terry hobbs and stevie's sister amanda go to pick up pam who is at work terry goes inside and uses the phone to call the police and report stevie missing
Now, what's really interesting about this, and people fixate on this fact because it is kind of strange, though he's going in to call Stevie in as missing to the police. He neglects to tell Pam, Stevie's mother, that Stevie is missing. It's actually Amanda who's waiting in the car who tells Pam when Pam shows up. And this is so heartbreaking. Pam's finishing her shift.
She comes into the car being picked up by her family. She has two pieces of candy in her hand, one for Stevie, one for Amanda, for her kids. And only at that point does she find out from Amanda that Stevie's actually missing. Now, some have speculated that Terry made the phone call from the restaurant to prevent the police from coming to his house. That's actually probably not the case at all.
The Hobbs didn't have a home phone, so he couldn't have made the call from his house. And by the way, if he's a suspect, they're going to go to his house. So calling from the restaurant doesn't really throw them, quote unquote, off the scent so much.
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