The forgotten pension money Kiwis are leaving behind
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What should Kiwis know about UK pensions after working overseas?
Kia ora, I'm Nadine Higgins and welcome to The Prosperity Project.
If you did the classic Kiwi OE to the UK, you might want to listen to this. It is more than likely you have a UK pension. The next question is what to do with it. And there are reasons why you might want to do it sooner rather than later. Britannia Financial Services has transferred tens of thousands of pensions into New Zealand, so its director, Alan Rees-Williams, knows the ins and outs of the scheme. Welcome to the Prosperity Project, Alan. Thanks for being with us.
Pleasure. Thank you.
If you have gone on an OE and maybe it extended out to five years or ten years, is it fair to assume you probably have some pension in the UK?
It is fair to assume. There's almost invariably you will have something. What you will find with people, particularly Kiwis going to the UK to work, they'll do a number of jobs. They don't tend to sit in one job. So they may even have multiple pensions in the UK.
So kind of easy for them to lose track of?
Very, very easy. We've done a lot of transfers where we've started with one pension for someone and we've ended up with up to 10. Ten? Yeah.
Wow.
So unlike KiwiSaver, where you have effectively one provider, And that's it. And you change providers. With pensions, you can have multiples in the UK.
So you just kind of stop contributing to that one and start a new one rather than KiwiSaver where you just, wherever you work, you contribute to the same pot of money.
Yeah, exactly.
Okay. How does it differ other than that, I suppose?
Mm-hmm.
to KiwiSaver? Are we still putting in a percentage of our income? Is our employer still putting money in?
Yeah, in that respect, similar. So there's two types of schemes in the UK and they define contribution very similar to KiwiSaver effectively, right? So you put money in, your employer puts money in, sometimes a bit of your national insurance in years gone by has gone in there. So three different types of contributions, but you end up with a lump sum of money at the end of it. And what you do with that lump sum of money at the end is up to you. You buy an annuity, you take drawdowns, or you cash it in effectively, much like KiwiSaver.
Why is it easy to forget about UK pension schemes?
Defined benefit schemes are where your employees sponsor the scheme and you end up with a defined, like a set amount of money based on your final salary at the end of your, or at your normal retirement age, which is generally around 60 in the UK for those types of schemes.
And so that second version that you mentioned, that's going to give you an amount of money every year in your retirement rather than a lump sum at the beginning.
Yep, and it's guaranteed usually.
Are they less common now?
Much less common. Right. Much less common. The deal with those sort of pensions is they were much more common years ago. A lot of the government agencies still have them, though, but much more common. But they became really cost prohibitive for companies because you've got to think about people living a longer period of time. You've got a cohort of people coming through now into retirement that were expected to live into their retirement. let's say, 70s, and they're living into their 80s and 90s. And it's not like they've put more money in. They just have to take a longer benefit. So the schemes generally have to find funding for it, right? So some of the schemes, some of the really big schemes in the UK, government schemes, are unfunded.
So it means there's no money sitting in the pot. It's basically people that are paying into it now that are funding the people that are retired.
Which sounds a lot like a Ponzi scheme.
That's a little bit, but they are government backed schemes, so they're not really Ponzi's, but yeah, difficult schemes.
But difficult to balance the books.
Yeah, exactly.
When you've got people who may find out that they've got 10 different defined contribution schemes, Do you sometimes come across people who have much more money in the UK pension than they thought that they did?
Yeah. Look, it's not common common for people.
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
What should Kiwis know about UK pensions after working overseas?
0:00–2:20
2
Why is it easy to forget about UK pension schemes?
2:20–5:13
3
How do UK pensions differ from KiwiSaver?
5:13–8:33
4
What are the types of pension schemes in the UK?
8:33–22:54
5
How does the tax treatment differ between UK pensions and KiwiSaver?
22:54–27:33
6
What are the arguments for bringing UK pensions back to New Zealand?
27:33–28:47