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Special Preview of “The Best People with Nicolle Wallace”

Mon, 2 Jun 2025

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Who are The Best People? They’re the people who are the best at what they do and know how to bring out the best in others. On her new podcast, Nicolle Wallace speaks to the people who inspire her. As a mom. As an American. Or sometimes just as a super fan. In the first episode, she sits down with actor Jason Bateman. His show “Smartless,” which he co-hosts with Will Arnett and Sean Hayes, is the podcast that inspired her to do her own. On this special preview, Bateman shares his journey into podcasting and reflects on the political climate that gives him endless fodder for conversation. Search “The Best People with Nicolle Wallace” to listen to the full episode and to catch new episodes every Monday. Or sign up for MSNBC Premium on Apple Podcasts to get early access on Fridays. Signing up for Premium also includes ad-free listening and bonus content.

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Chapter 1: What is The Best People podcast about?

2.02 - 28.624 Nicolle Wallace

Hi everybody, it's Nicole Wallace. I'm excited to tell you about my new podcast, The Best People with Nicole Wallace. What is The Best People? Well, it's an invitation inside my shortlist of the smartest, funniest, wisest, most creative people I've been blessed to encounter. either personally or professionally, as a journalist, as a mom, sometimes just as a fan. The best people inspire me.

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Chapter 2: Who are some of the guests featured in the podcast?

28.824 - 52.937 Nicolle Wallace

They make me laugh. They tell the truth. They give the best advice. Now I'm sharing the power of those conversations with all of you. The best people are some of the most accomplished and accessible people out there. From Jason Bateman to Kara Swisher, Rachel Maddow to Sarah Jessica Parker, Doc Rivers and Jeff Daniels. This podcast is a chance for you to hear them and see them the way I do.

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Chapter 3: What can listeners expect from the preview episode?

53.357 - 76.028 Nicolle Wallace

And what you hear might surprise you. So follow the best people with Nicole Wallace. The first two episodes are available right now and new episodes drop on Mondays. Stay here to listen to a special preview of the first episode with Jason Bateman. where we talk about how he got into podcasting with his show Smartless, his latest projects, and his take on the current political mayhem.

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Chapter 4: How does Nicolle Wallace view the current political climate?

76.408 - 100.0 Nicolle Wallace

You can also subscribe to MSNBC Premium on Apple Podcasts for early access, ad-free listening, and bonus content. I think that what makes the Trump story so amazing is nobody knows what's going to happen next. You know, I mean, the people in his cabinet don't seem to know what's happening next. You know, it's crazy.

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Chapter 5: What insights does Jason Bateman share about podcasting?

100.421 - 120.298 Jason Bateman

And but but but there's a writer's room somewhere. And in that writer's room, they are figuring out these seasonal arcs that are just they're just gobsmacking. And somehow they build to these great stories. you know, cliffhangers too, that, you know, are kind of like, well, that's like jumping the shark.

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120.738 - 140.287 Jason Bateman

But like, for instance, you know, remember for a moment there, it was, it was very plausible that he was going to win the election, but start serving in prison. Like that was, that wasn't that would be, you would, you would write that maybe. Yeah. Like that would be a shark, jump the shark moment, but no, actually everything was built towards that legitimately can happen.

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140.327 - 169.081 Jason Bateman

And people are trying to figure out that, the apparatus to get classified documents to him, et cetera, et cetera. And to me, that's just a show I can't stop watching because he keeps outdoing himself and doubling and tripling down. And it's not for show. It's actually a reasonable escalation based on what just happened last. It's like it's really happening.

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170.353 - 183.612 Nicolle Wallace

Does it change your industry at all when like the real world is so batshit crazy? Does it make people think like, I mean, you know, like, oh, this couldn't happen when the real world keeps defying that frame of this couldn't happen? Yeah.

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183.82 - 212.325 Jason Bateman

Well, there's plenty of projects. I've been involved with at least two of them that are directly related to key figures in his administration that I have started developing but then backed away because there's no way you can do that because those are still active storylines. And by the time you're done shooting it, The ending may have been written and we won't have it, you know, in the show.

214.467 - 247.584 Jason Bateman

So, yeah, it's the notion of what is plausible and possible in the political world today. I think the writers' rooms are having difficulty imagining it, even in a fictional setting, if you were to just have a fictional administration. Because I think most of us come off the car lot with a standard feature of shame and and an ability to become embarrassed.

248.285 - 268.876 Jason Bateman

And that's not built into our systems of defense. You can't assume that somebody is going to drive right through shamelessness. And he does, and he is, and so we're constantly on our heels.

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