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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Hi, Robin. How are you?
I'm doing well. How are you, Dave?
Better than I deserve. What's up?
Thank you for taking my call. My question today is my husband and I own a home, and we're hoping to move soon, but we also have some debt. So we're just trying to figure out the best next steps for ourselves.
Okay. Why are you moving?
We need more space. We have a two-bedroom, and we have an 18-month-old son, and we would like to try for another baby soon. Cool. So we would like to have a three-bedroom house. And I also work from home, so we do need, like, some type of office space or area.
Okay. How much debt have you got, not counting your house?
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Chapter 2: What should I consider when moving to a new house?
I'm never going to give you the easy path in the short term because it's always the hard path in the long term.
easy path for her in the short term is go buy a nicer house but she's stuck in the debt her budget's even tighter she's going to struggle to be able to build wealth and find money to save and invest for her kids college and for their retirement investing and be able to get the house paid off and sally may kicked out and the other rest of that debt kicked out that's what normal people do they buy whatever they want whenever they want it like they're in congress
And normal finances in America suck. You don't want to be normal. It's awful. And so what you want to be is unusual. You want to be weird. So one of the greatest compliments you get on this show is if I call you weird. It means you're doing hard stuff to get an easy life long term. It's always harder to work out and avoid a donut. Right. Well, you know, this is a mindset.
Right. A lot of people think of this type of rice and beans, gazelle intensity that, Dave, that we teach as a sacrifice. And I think it's worth shifting that mindset from thinking of it as a sacrifice and think of it as an investment. It's a price to be paid. Yes. I am investing in my future.
It's the price of admission to a better life.
That's it. And you've got to invest in yourself. So stop thinking, oh, it's drudgery. Oh, we've got to sacrifice. Okay, if we do this, this has yield, long-term yield, long-term impact, long-term return on my investment, not my sacrifice, but I'm investing in me, my family, our future.
Yeah, like a buddy of mine, there was a huge negative article written about me. A buddy of mine goes like, oh, man, I'm so sorry. And I said, well, you know, it's the price of admission to get to be Dave Ramsey. I'll pay the price. It's awesome. I don't want to be somebody else. I like me. Life's good. I got a great life.
And if all that means is some idiot left-wing journalist thinks I'm a capitalist pig and correctly identified me as such, then have at it, baby. That's the price of admission to be Dave. That's right. What's the price of admission to be wealthy? What's the price of admission to raise great kids? What's the price of admission to look at your drunk friend and say, you need to get off the sauce.
You're screwing up your life. It's harder to have the conflict than it is to go along and buy him another round. Hard is easier than easy. Always turns out to be hard. Because you're wimping, you're mailing it in. You're not paying a price. This is the Ramsey Show. Over the years, the risk of becoming a victim of ID theft has skyrocketed.
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Chapter 3: How can I prioritize paying off debt before moving?
And then one other step. I want you to try to get connected to people that work in the company now. Now, you've got to be mature enough to handle that feedback. Here's what I mean. Just because I talk to one person and they say something kind of negative doesn't mean it's true.
I want to talk to three to five to seven people, ideally connected to the sales type role, and we're going to get real feedback. We're going to look and see how do they treat their customers? What are their customer review? Can we get vendor reviews? This is how we find out if a culture, which means shared behaviors, is healthy.
And so I want you to walk all the way through, stop letting fear create a narrative right now. You don't know some things. Go get the answers to those things, and then the fear of the unknown goes away, and now you're going to be able to make a good decision.
Hey, why did you, you said last month sucked because you took two weeks off. Why did you take two weeks off?
Yeah. We had sick babies. I got sick. So it was just like this cycle of people getting sick in our household.
Your kids were sick and you were sick? Is that what you meant?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it started off with her.
It doesn't matter where you work. If you don't work for two weeks on 100% commission, your month's going to suck.
Yeah.
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Chapter 4: What strategies can I use to rebuild my emergency fund?
It sounds like you have a third tier set of brands that are not the prime brands. And this bigger company's got some better brands that you can sell a lot better. And so a lot more volume of. And as long as they're not going to be all stuff shirt and make it miserable to work there with a toxic corporate crap, then it's probably the play to do.
But you need to work through and prove that to yourself.
That's right. The quick lesson here just for Bailey and the rest of our listeners and viewers is this. The interview process is as much for you as it is for the company.
They're being interviewed, too. Yeah.
You have got to have some confidence to ask these questions. You can do it in a way that doesn't put the company on defensive, but you can ask really good questions that allow you to get answers. Here's what's going on. And Bailey, you're normal. You're just like every other human being.
Anytime we look at change, which we have to change to progress, in this case financially and professionally, there's going to be some unknowns. The quicker we can get the knowns to those unknowns now... We have the ability to discern and make the right decision.
People don't mind change if they're convinced that it is better.
Right.
You're driving a $1,000 car and you get to change to a $20,000 car. You love change.
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Chapter 5: What steps can I take to reduce childcare costs?
Because if they say that, they weren't going to fit in. They were going to be a negative culture ad. That's correct. And we would have had to fire them later. And so it's much better for them to self-select because we almost run them off. Yeah. And so we're being interviewed, too.
You know, when you come in to interview here, you're deciding if you want to work here, we're deciding if you want you to work here. And so you got to look at it that way. It is a two-way street. And I, you know, I don't need to sell you on working here, but I would love to sell you on not working here.
Because if I can run you off before you get in here and cause issues because you're an idiot, then that'd be a great thing for us. This is the Ramsey Show. Go to SplashFinancial.com slash Ramsey now. In the lobby of Ramsey Solutions on the debt-free stage, Jessica is with us. Hi, Jessica. How are you?
Hi, Dave. How are you doing?
Better than I deserve.
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Chapter 6: How do I assess my financial security when changing jobs?
Welcome. Where do you live?
I live in Bourbonnais, south of Chicago.
Oh, welcome to Nashville. Thank you. And how much debt have you paid off?
$121,000. Woo!
How long did that take? 28 months. Look at you. Way to go, kiddo. And your range of income during that time?
$70,000 to $90,000. Cool.
What do you do for a living?
I'm a chemist for a pharmaceutical manufacturer.
Oh, look at you. So what was the $121,000?
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Chapter 7: How can I build wealth despite economic uncertainty?
Oh, crap.
Because I knew I'd only paid down about $20,000 on the principal in almost three years. And so I'm just praying to God, like, can you please give me contentment to survive the next seven years? Because I don't know how I'm going to do this. Um, and so actually one day I was talking about it and my aunt, she said to me, well, why don't you pay it off?
I said, there's an option. Who thought that?
Wow. I was confused. So I said, you don't make a dent in six figures of debt. And she said, I know you, you could do it. Just listen to this radio show and it'll click for you and you'll do it. I know you. I don't even need to explain it to you.
Wow, that's a compliment.
So I left it just at that.
I've got some nieces that are that way. Yeah, this one right here could do that.
Yeah, she apparently knew me better than I knew myself.
She had more confidence in you than you had in yourself.
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Chapter 8: What mindset shifts are necessary for financial success?
And going up from here. Oh, man. And knock out $121,000 in two and a half years. Yeah, two years and four months, no less.
My goal was to make it by age 30, but I just turned 28 right before I paid it off.
So you beat your goal by two years. Yeah. Yep. This is how it goes down right here. I love it. Amazing. All right. Now that you did it, you're an expert. What do you tell people the key to getting out of debt is?
The budget is everything. It's important, but it's also the most freeing part of the journey because you get to set your pace yourself. You get to decide, am I going to buy this or am I going to buy this or how much of each thing or how much am I going to throw towards the debt? So it's all in your hands and it's really empowering. I felt when I started budgeting, that was my first step.
I've also gotten creative with saving money and trying to buy anything I can used. My favorite blouse is like $6 from Goodwill.
Ah, look at you. All right. So did you stay home or did you move out?
I ended up staying home, and when I paid my last payment on one paycheck, I actually put down a security deposit on a townhouse of my own on the next paycheck. So I was freed up to, you know, do what I wanted, live where I wanted.
Okay, so tremendous lesson here. Tremendous lesson. I'm going to throw it back to you to keep teaching because I thought you just dropped a master class in something. You know, our colleague... Rachel Cruz talks about the budget, give you permission to spend. You said it empowered you in this journey because you got to set your own pace.
That has to be tremendously liberating to say, all right, because you went from telling your aunt, there's no way I can make a dent in six figures of debt. And now you're telling us that the budgeting part of what we teach empowered you to set a pace that you felt like you could get and ended up going beyond that. I want you to unpack that a little bit more. How did it empower you?
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