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Chapter 1: What financial questions are addressed at the beginning of the episode?
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Hi, thank you for taking my call. My question today is, our youngest son is going to be starting medical school in July this summer. He's married and has a two-year-old and then his wife is pregnant. They're going to have their second baby in the fall. And our question is, because of the changes in the federal student loan program,
They are not able to borrow enough money to even really pay the tuition for the medical school. And so they're going to need to take out private loans.
And so our question is whether we will. Please don't do this. Hey, let me ask you before you go any further with this. I want to ask you one question. Why do you think they put limits on it?
On how much they can borrow. They're trying to get the schools to change their policies so they don't require students to borrow as much money. They're trying to get them to lower the tuition. But I think in this kind of in the gap, the tuition isn't going any lower right now.
But the crux of the question is, why do you think they're putting caps on how much students can borrow?
Well, I think for some professions that makes sense. He's going to be a doctor.
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Chapter 2: How do the hosts suggest handling student loan concerns?
Still deciding, but he's working right now in a urology clinic and is either interested in that or maybe endocrinology.
Wow. So I've got friends who are at medical school startups at universities. I've worked with medical professionals my whole career. That's just where I've lived. And I'm just telling you, just parent to parent, my son is 16. I would love for him to be a physician. I think that's a great noble calling. It's a good profession. I mean, he can do what he wants at his age.
I would tell him, do not borrow money to go into this profession. And that's me having friends that are physicians, working with physicians, working with medical education, and having a kid that I would love to see be a doctor because I don't know what AI's impact is going to be on...
In one year, in two years, in 10 years on the need or the ability for that person who owes five, $600,000 to be able to recoup that. So good. And a local pediatrician is not going to make $500,000, $600,000, especially with insurance reimbursements. A surgeon, they will. They'll do great. a urology surgeon, they might.
And again, I don't, I don't, all that is so region specific and all that, you know, but all that to say is you and I, the world we grew up in is the safest thing is go be a lawyer or go be a doctor. Like that's what we were taught, right?
And just look at what's happened to all the kids for the last 20 years who have been told, go to coding, go get, go get a degree in coding, go get a degree in IT, right? they're out of jobs, you know what I mean? Like they create the thing that's gonna take all their jobs away.
I cannot in good conscience, as proud of your son as you are, as excited as he is, if a bank is telling you you're too much of a risk for us to give you this money, to go around the bank and try to figure that out, like the bank's whole business is, I'm gonna loan you this money and I'm gonna make money on you paying me back. And when banks say, I'm not gonna do that, this is too high of a risk,
Listen to what they're trying to tell you. They're trying to say, I don't want to do business with you because I don't think you're going to be able to pay us back. And I know I'm blowing up everything and that's not even why you called. I just got to tell you parent to parent, a guy who I worked in higher ed for 20 years.
If they're saying we're putting the brakes on this, I would listen to why they're putting the brakes on it. And all I have to say is, even more strongly, I would say don't go get private loans because those get people into so, so much trouble.
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Chapter 3: What are the implications of co-signing student loans?
And so what we were, is that on the private loans, the interest rate is dramatically lower. If we co-sign on that loan for him rather than him, um, just doing that himself. So we were trying to figure out how to mitigate that risk.
If we had a couple of ideas of how to do that, but, um, I love that you're thinking in that way, because I think that's, as a parent, you do, you want to look at ways to, to lessen the load, especially financially. Um, Even if I did agree with debt, I would never agree with cosigning.
So even if I was a person who was like, oh, student loans are fine, I would still say, cosigning, please don't do it because here's what's gonna happen. You cosign a loan, You're on the hook for it. His name is on it. He's just starting his life with his baby, his family, his wife. He might think this is not something I'm interested in paying off right now.
That's always going to be attached to you. So if you decide, oh, we want to move, we want to buy a house, we want to do something that might involve our credit, you're attached to it. It's debt that's in your name, and that always has the ability to ruin a relationship.
Yeah, so you're not only putting his credit score on the block, you're putting y'all's relationship on the block. If y'all have cash, write him a check today. I will high five you to the moon and back if you want to support your kid through medical school.
Even if you can't do all of it, fund some of it with cash.
And say, here's a gift. We weren't able to do this. We're going to give you this gift. But what you're trying to do is take the guilt you have from not helping an undergrad and you're going to put your relationship with your son. He's going to sit at Thanksgiving with y'all. And y'all are going to be his lender.
Oh, and Anne, I can tell you, because that's what me and my husband did. My husband's mother, my mother-in-law, co-signed for his loans. And she was the third wheel in our marriage for almost seven and a half years.
Why'd you buy that car? Is that a new purse? Why'd y'all buy that?
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Chapter 4: How can parents support their children financially without enabling them?
You make $220,000. You have the ability to repay these student loans that you sign your name on, and you're choosing not to so that me and my wife, as part of our taxes, are going to pay them for you. Now, if you were making $40,000 a year as an assistant district attorney trying to help the least of these in my community, I'm all about that.
Right.
Right. And so like you send your name to a piece of paper, you're making like almost a quarter million dollars a year. Pay the debts that you said you were going to pay back and then get on with your life. I'm way more concerned about your financial picture long term. You hold on to these and crossing your fingers for some government repayment program, which, by the way, may come through.
It might. It might. They've ticked up. They have ticked up how many they're processing and all that. That's all good. But, man, you can pay back.
And how long have you already waited? How long have you already been waiting for this?
Well, they've been on deferment for about almost two years, but I'm technically almost five years into the ESLF.
You see what I'm saying? That's a long time. And here's the thing. Here's what's at stake, because I think this is beyond mathematics. You're clearly good with numbers. You're thinking about the future. You're thinking about wealth. No one's going to fault you on that, at least for sure I'm not. But Part of personal finance, a huge part of it is emotional.
We know about the behavior, we know about the numbers, but we forget the emotional part, which is human beings want freedom. We want to feel freedom and we want to feel peace. That is just who we are at the core. And so as long as this is taking up space, space and residency in your heart and in your brain and in your mind, why is that worth it for you?
Especially, now don't get me wrong, if you were making $40,000 a year and it was a struggle, I can understand it a little bit more. But girl, you've got the means to pay this off so quickly. This should have been gone. This should have been out of your life.
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Chapter 5: How can I prepare for financial requests from family members?
Because you can't control them. The only person you can control in this equation is you. And so assume they're going to call and ask for money and have a pre-agreed upon message from you and your wife as to what we will and will not support.
Do you think your wife and you do agree on what that message should be, Mark?
We do. And we have talked about it. Her and I are in complete agreement. I think the most frustrating part is that he, so they moved into a community and he's on the HOA board, like, and he's working almost 40 hours a week, not being paid. It's like, man, go out and get a job.
Yeah, but like you're,
You can't control that.
Yeah, your compassion is real, dude.
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Chapter 6: What should I do when I feel responsible for my child's debt?
And I want to honor your compassion for your father-in-law. But what you're doing is you're taking his choices and potential future issues and you're dragging them into your present and you're the one dealing with them. Or as they say in AA, you're drinking poison hoping he gets sick. You know what I mean?
And so what I'm not going to do with the precious time I have with my wife on this planet is spend time worrying about other people's decisions, especially if we've already aligned on our response to the consequences of their decisions or the potential consequences, right? That's anxiety is grabbing a potential outcome in the future into the present and trying to solve it now.
It's just a recipe to ruin today. It doesn't solve any of their activities or actions, right? And so, yeah, he's making idiotic choices. He's making bad choices with his money, and he's trying to build reputation in his local community. A, I get that. If he just moved to a new place, he wants to be on the in crowd. I get that. And also, he can't afford to do that, right?
But if y'all are already aligned on what your response will be, you've gone further than most married couples do, so I applaud you for that, man. Now your choice is to look at your wife and say, hey, what kind of fun can we have today? I don't know the other option other than just to choose misery on a problem that you can't solve.
Well, I'm curious.
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Chapter 7: How can I cope with anxiety about my father's financial choices?
Your wife is, you know, they've given over the information to your wife. She's helping them. Surely she has said to them, here's what I'm finding. You got 20 months left. And I'm sure she's made some suggestions. How have they reacted to that?
Yeah. Yes, she has. And he just keeps saying, oh, I have a plan. And we're like, but what's the plan, dude? Like, you're not telling us. And so we just don't really know. How old are they? He is 69 and she is, the wife is like 60.
Okay. Are they with it? Like, are they, is everything still full capacity? Is it possible that they have money or assets that you guys don't know about? If he says, I have a plan or I'm fine.
Yeah, there's the other side. What if you just trusted him? Cool. They got a plan.
Yeah, I guess you're right.
I don't know of anything. Anything that you're thinking right now is a story you're making up. Right? Right. And so let's deal with a potential bad story and let's choose to make up the most positive version of this story. That's not being Pollyanna.
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Chapter 8: What steps can I take to regain control over my finances?
That's not being in denial. That's just saying I get to choose which one of these things I meditate on every day. One of these stories that I make up is going to let me sleep a little bit better. And the other story is killing me. It's going to give me a stroke. And it's not going to change his financial habits at all. Dude, I totally get your frustration. I mean, I get it.
Deeper than you can possibly imagine. I won't talk about it on the air here. And at some point, you have to decide, I'm not going to strangle myself and lose oxygen here over a problem I can't solve. I will have an answer for what comes, and so be it. Jay, we were just talking about this off air. If you and I and all of our teammates here on The Ramsey Show, if we could just get people to...
if we can empower people to hear this message, you can only control you.
That's it.
I think, I literally think the world changes.
Absolutely.
And I don't say that in a, in a every man for himself, but like, take care of your house, take care of you and take care of the problems that are already in your lap. Don't create new ones and then drag them in to your lap. And if other people want to go do wild stuff, I don't like it. I hate it for them. I hate it for us, but I can't do anything about it.
You don't have to attach yourself to it or it doesn't have to become the conversation that you guys circle around every night.
And maybe once a week. All right. 30 minutes. Let's just get it all out.
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