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Aussie Real Estate Podcast

House Ownership Falling

22 Feb 2022

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Chapter 1: What are the current trends in home ownership in Australia?

2.596 - 22.038 Craig

it's the real estate podcast brought to you by ray white the largest real estate and property group in australasia and welcome to another episode of the real estate podcast we're talking with peter tulip who is the chief economist at the center for independent studies Now, just a little bit of a background from Peter.

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22.119 - 41.085 Craig

His previous work included the research department of the Reserve Bank for Australia and his stint at the Federal Reserve Board of Governors. And his recent research focuses on housing and monetary policy. Hey, Peter, welcome to the Real Estate Podcast.

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41.425 - 43.268 Peter Tulip

G'day, Craig. Glad to be with you.

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43.248 - 56.252 Craig

Nice to have you on, and I guess housing and monetary policy keeps you pretty busy these days, particularly given the incredibly challenging times ahead in the current market that we're all living in.

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56.593 - 62.303 Peter Tulip

Yeah, they're two very big policy issues. I think they're two of the biggest problems Australia's facing at the moment.

Chapter 2: Why is home ownership declining among young families?

62.502 - 86.687 Craig

Well, let's have a look at home ownership because that's a little bit of a problem. It's always been a fundamental goal in the Australian psyche. It's been a mindset that has been passed down. It can be argued from generation to generation to own your own home. However, it is on the decline. So tell us a little bit about some of your key findings around this.

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86.667 - 108.27 Peter Tulip

Yeah, so amongst our parents' generation or our grandparents' generation, it was very common for young families to buy a home of their own, but that's just not happening anymore. So it used to be that home ownership amongst 20 to 30-year-olds was something like 60% back in the 1980s, and now it's fallen to below 45%.

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108.25 - 117.208 Peter Tulip

So there's been this huge fall in home ownership of young families, and the reason for it is the cost. That families just have real difficulty getting their deposit together.

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Chapter 3: What impact do planning restrictions have on housing prices?

117.509 - 126.748 Peter Tulip

That saving for, typically, you want to put down 20%, and with prices rising as quickly as they have, families just don't have that money anymore.

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126.728 - 140.036 Craig

And, you know, the worst part about this is that there's no silver bullet. It's not like in 2022 this is going to change or in 2023. What are some of your thoughts around that whole aspect?

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140.637 - 163.08 Peter Tulip

Yeah, so, Craig, that's the thing that we've been working on a lot at the Centre of Independent Studies. We think that the reason housing is so expensive in Australia is because of planning restrictions or what a lot of people call zoning or land use restrictions. It's just very difficult to supply housing. Just simple economics. When you restrict the supply, the price goes up.

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163.06 - 175.025 Craig

And rental stress is also on the rise, and I don't think that comes as any great shock to people that are listening to the podcast, but there are also some other aspects surrounding that.

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Chapter 4: How do zoning laws affect housing supply and affordability?

175.105 - 179.955 Craig

So tell us a little bit about what other factors are at play.

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179.935 - 205.403 Peter Tulip

Right, so it's not just a problem for homeowners. About a third of the population typically rents. It's actually an increasing share. They're being squeezed really badly. The housing cost is not just the price, but rents have also risen a lot. So we've done a lot of work trying to estimate the effects of planning restrictions and zoning restrictions on housing costs.

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205.383 - 220.83 Peter Tulip

A common finding is that the effect is huge. So in terms of house prices, we estimate that land use restrictions increase the cost of housing by about 73%. And then that's for Sydney, it's a bit less in the other big cities.

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Chapter 5: What are the implications of rising rental costs for tenants?

221.331 - 224.397 Peter Tulip

And then for apartments, cost of buying an apartment by 68%.

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224.717 - 249.633 Craig

So they're very large effects. And sometimes research numbers and figures around land restrictions being a problem, which is what you're talking about, increasing property prices, they are at times shot down by people who will argue that high prices have nothing to do with land restrictions because the land restrictions have barely been changed for decades.

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249.653 - 253.378 Craig

So what is the counter to that assertion?

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253.358 - 279.597 Peter Tulip

So that's true. It's actually because the restrictions haven't changed that's the problem. That we have steadily increasing demand, you know, higher incomes, higher population, lower interest rates, but supply is not adjusting to meet that extra demand. where it's as though we've frozen the structure of our cities in place the way it was in our parents' or grandparents' day.

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279.858 - 291.813 Peter Tulip

So we've still got a fixed supply interacting with growing demand, and that results in higher prices. If it was in a well-functioning market, you'd have an increase in quantity.

Chapter 6: What role does the Federal Parliament play in housing policy?

291.893 - 300.544 Peter Tulip

We'd be building more houses. But our zoning restrictions make it very difficult to do that, and so we get this affordability problem instead.

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300.524 - 309.217 Craig

So Peter, Federal Parliament has a review underway. What would you like to see from that Federal Parliament review?

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309.778 - 323.677 Peter Tulip

Yes, so it's being chaired by Jason Filinski, one of the local Sydney politicians. They're examining a range of issues. Our sense is that the key problem with housing affordability is, as I say, planning restrictions.

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324.097 - 347.22 Peter Tulip

We need to be building more housing, and that means we need to get the planning restrictions that prevent that out of the way to allow apartment buildings to go up and to allow detached houses to be converted into medium and high density. Unfortunately, those restrictions are largely the responsibility of state governments, or in some states, local governments.

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347.2 - 351.748 Peter Tulip

And the federal government, which is running this inquiry, doesn't have direct responsibility.

Chapter 7: How can urban density contribute to economic growth?

352.028 - 372.803 Peter Tulip

Partly we're just hoping that the current inquiry will put a spotlight on the issue to explain the dimensions of the problem and the need for change. We also think the federal government should be channeling more money into easing planning restrictions. So it should be creating incentives for state and local governments to build more.

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372.918 - 384.48 Craig

boy oh boy construction costs are not helping are they for new builds on the rise at the moment it's not helping but it's i think people overstate their significance

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384.697 - 405.608 Peter Tulip

The places where housing is really expensive, most of the cost of it is land. The actual structure that goes into a new house in Sydney or Melbourne is typically only a third of the value of the property. It is true that construction costs have been rising quickly, but it's land costs that are the huge problem.

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405.588 - 427.466 Craig

And since we're talking about, you know, builds and restrictions, particularly on land, one of the counters for land use restrictions, especially around high density housing, is that it's ugly and overcrowding along with noise, which will change the character of established neighbourhoods, which I guess is, you know, very valid.

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427.506 - 435.493 Craig

But what do you think the balance overall with regard to social priority needs to sort of be in this area?

435.575 - 459.077 Peter Tulip

Yes, so Craig, we argue that zoning restrictions and planning regulations are the main reason that housing is so expensive, and in particular, it's so difficult to put up high-density housing. And the reason for that is that, as you say, local residents don't like new apartment towers. They think they're ugly and they lead to congestion. That's a fair comment.

459.578 - 480.229 Peter Tulip

I don't think the views of noisy opponents are really representative. There are actually a lot of people that like high density housing. And you can see that just in the real estate ads where people will list proximity to shops, proximity to transport, all the other features of high density as real selling points.

480.209 - 498.914 Peter Tulip

The problem is that the people who like high density aren't represented in the decisions. Typically, when a new building is being proposed, the people that will be living there, that is the beneficiaries, they don't even know about it. It's several years in advance and who knows where you're going to be living then.

499.274 - 523.18 Peter Tulip

They also live, I mean, by the nature of the fact that it's new housing, they're going to live somewhere else. So they're often not involved in local decisions. And we see that when new high-rise apartments do go up, it doesn't really affect local land values. You would think if there was a serious deterioration in neighbourhood amenity that nearby property values might be hurt.

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