Chapter 1: Is Harper Beckham being forced into the skincare business?
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And me, Richard Osman. Hello, everyone. Hey, Marina. How are you, Richard? I'm all right. It was the BAFTAs last night. Another remorselessly unsuccessful one for House of Games.
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I did think maybe a sympathy BAFTA, but nothing. Genuinely, this is how these award ceremonies work. I was giving out an award as well to Martin Lewis. And so when you do that, someone comes to get you from your seat, take you around to the back in advance of doing it. But the one I was giving out was quite soon after the daytime BAFTA.
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Chapter 2: What is the impact of celebrity nepo-babies on the entertainment industry?
No, you shouldn't choose to do. But it's what I genuinely, this is where I lose sympathy. I really, really, really lose sympathy. It's a child.
Some people never learn. I'm so sorry. Have we not just seen what's happened? Some people never learn. I find it absolutely extraordinary.
If you're an influencer somewhere and you're a 14-year-old and you do Instagram and suddenly, I 100% get that because it's the giddy thrill of suddenly you are in the public eye and that's exciting. You're building something. That is not where Victoria Beckham is. It's not where the Beckhams are. The Beckhams already have an empire.
They've seen every single thing that can happen if you put your children through that kind of publicity mill. They've seen all of it.
The darkest bits of it. I mean, what on earth are you thinking? And lots of people want to sit there and say, oh, it's lovely, she's interested or whatever, she's got ambition. No, this is just totally bleak in some horrible industry that is now catering to younger and younger and younger girls.
And as I say, it's just the absolute jackboot of the patriarchy down on your neck from what, the age of five or six, you're doing unboxing skincare videos. It's awful. And we shouldn't think it's wonderful. No. And the overarching thing often in these cases, and maybe we'll talk about this, you know, maybe we might as well talk about Northwest as well. I mean, again, look at the parents.
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Chapter 3: What happened in the Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni legal drama?
Sorry, hate to say it. But the overarching thing here seems to be that these children can't have a normal life. Mm-hmm. Which isn't the case. There are an abundance of celebrity children who do have a normal life.
By the way, almost all of them.
Almost all of them. And that they are only suited. And the Beckhams particularly have always felt this because you've seen what they've, each of the children. I mean, there were moments where is Romeo going to be a tennis star? No, he's not. Okay. I'm sure, you know, in the end, they'll end up doing modeling and brand work. And that's,
But the sense that they are only suited for the public eye or branches of show business. And by the way, I think these influencer led brands are a branch of show business and even beauty or whatever, you know, you're not a CEO. You're not as your apprentice winner. You're not building up from the ground up. It's not the same thing. And I think it is sort of extraordinary.
And particularly given what has happened to them this year, the downside, the risk reward is so extraordinarily high on the risk side of it.
Yeah.
And just saying that, you know, my child is driven, they know what they want. Well, I mean, just the word no is in the vocabulary. And until they're 18, why don't you use it?
Yeah, because also who knows what Harper would have grown up to do? Something interesting, something unusual, something helpful. It's possible. If a 14-year-old, say Harper had just designed and invented a brand new stent which would revolutionise heart surgery and no one had seen before, by all means, by all means monetise that. But not this.
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Chapter 4: Why has ITV's 'The Neighbourhood' failed to attract viewers?
You might as well say, do you know what, she couldn't find a cigarette she liked and so she's created her own. Yeah.
And this is absolutely no shade at all on the child who, like all 14-year-old girls, has got a number of views about all sorts of things. I did myself and so does lots of other people.
Every 14-year-old child would do what Harper is doing. It's not about her. Every parent of every 14-year-old child would do.
In the same way, we might as well move on to her, to North West. Yes. It's not about her. She's had a social media account since she was very young. She was posting to her mother's account before that to Kim Kardashian's account. Age 12 is extraordinarily young. But then, you know, you saw Beyonce and Jay-Z's daughter, Blue Ivy.
They have some rule that you're not allowed to go to the Met Gala, which was last week. You're not allowed to go to the Met Gala if you're under 18. But, of course, she was there and Nicole Kidman's daughter was there. And I genuinely don't think it's the kindest thing in the world to do this to people. But it's almost as though there can be no other business than that family business.
It becomes sort of like the royal family, which is, you know, if you are born into the royal family, you do understand that you have a certain life ahead of you. I've heard. I mean, exactly. A lot of people born into it.
They should have had an open audition process for Prince Harry. But could they have got anyone that good?
There's a TV show. They couldn't have got anyone that good. That's the interesting thing about him is he probably would have won it anyway. Yeah. Fair play to him. But I get it. If you're the royal family, you understand immediately you have to put your children on a certain track and teach them certain things. And this is the way the world is going to be for you. And this is how we deal with it.
And it seems there's certain show business families for whom they've gone, well, it's the same with us. But they always have been to some extent.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of trademarks in the entertainment world?
oh my god yeah exactly I mean some of the biggest morons I know probably have made a huge amount of money and they would really struggle elsewhere construction 17% of people in construction their parent worked in construction so we do that and we all of us understand why we do that you grow up seeing what you're parent does. It's either appeals to you or it doesn't appeal to you.
If it does appeal to you, you immediately have a mentor who can show you the ropes. Also, you know, can get your work on the site during the holiday. And so we get it that you can end up in the same job as your parent and that you might want to as well. Does it automatically mean that you are brilliant at the job? That you are doing. And that's the tricky thing.
Because we see it in TV all the time. TV and film. There are actors who have children who are actors. And you kind of go, yeah, but they're an amazing actor. So, of course, they got there on their own merits. The only sociological kind of comparison I can make was with sport. Because that seems to me to have a very similar skill set.
Which is, if you're an amazing actor, do you pass on those amazing acting genes to your children? And then they become an amazing actor. And therefore, they achieve because they have that personality type. So sport you look into, and actually sport, far, far, far fewer.
So many fewer, yes.
Nepos. Lots of siblings, funnily enough, which tells you a lot of it is nurture. You know, the Williams sisters, the Brownlee brothers, the Klitschko's. I mean, an insane amount of siblings.
Nevels.
The Nevels, all three of them, exactly. But if we get rid of the 1860s and the 1870s with old Tom Morris and young Tom Morris, no father and son or mother and daughter have ever won a golf major. Ever. So loads and loads and loads of kids go into golf and go into, you know, but none of them have ever matched what their parents did.
Likewise, there's lots of kids who had parents who were sort of amateur golfers and stuff, and they've absolutely massively done better than their parents. But there is absolutely no correlation. Same with tennis as well. There's not a single example apart from the Suttons again, which are many, many, many years ago of a parent and a child playing. both winning a Grand Slam tournament.
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Chapter 6: How do celebrity children navigate the pressures of fame?
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Chapter 7: How does the public perceive celebrity endorsements?
But there wasn't really anything that you could say she'd done. So there's no particular reasons. So to go back to Blake Lively and whether she could recover in that same way, because Anne Hathaway obviously has recovered from that. I do not think so. She had a whole load of witnesses lined up. So much had been struck out by this point.
What they were really going to say in the trial is Blake Lively is commercially toxic. You're going to have a parade of people saying, yeah, no, she can't get this work, she can't get that work. We've got a million units of our hair care unit that we can't shift. Are you really going to get up on the stand and say that?
I would launch a podcast called Blake Lively is Commercially Toxic if I were Blake Lively. That's a really great name for a podcast.
By the way, we'll get some real numbers because people do not like her now. So she's, you know, if you look at her upcoming projects, there's a film in development directed by Paul Feig. Will that go forward? I don't know.
There's a sort of element where you think, you know, like in Pratt Panto it happens and, you know, for a certain amount of years a woman plays the principal boy and then suddenly it's like, oh, now you're the wicked queen. I don't know if she graduates from... nice girl to sort of villain roles. Yeah. Because images do go through these cycles and backlashes and what have you. Okay.
Now let's get onto the real degraded brand here because Ryan Reynolds, now he was an absolutely Teflon A-lister. He is very clever. He's successful. He,
writes he performs he has a gin brand he is a co-owner of Rexham he's got he's diversified in all the ways the modern celebrity must be and he's got a sort of guy next door sort of fun kids watch movies with him he's a kind of four quadrant guy basically now We've all now seen his texts, which are so sort of withering as to be brutal.
People think they know stars, they've got a certain persona, but now everyone knows stars act like this, or they suspect they do, but we now can see it. By the way, everyone in Hollywood who has to work with talent doesn't love that, even though he's not their client necessarily, no one loves that this has come out. Because the whole business is a business of artifice and wonder.
Once you see that people who seem like so chill and really fun and just like a laugh a minute guy behave like this behind the scenes in a way that other people would perceive to be bullying or just like unbelievably the big I am persona, which I know I always bang on, but it's taken a beating for definite.
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