Chapter 1: What sparked the feud between Alex Cooper and Alix Earle?
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Hello, and welcome to this episode of The Rest Is Entertainment with me, Marina Hyde.
And me, Richard Osman. Hello, everyone. Hi, Marina.
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Chapter 2: How does the new Michael Jackson film compare to past biopics?
We could go.
God, this is so... This, I mean...
I know it seems petty, but wait, because I do have a theory on that.
Okay, great.
Okay. And then in the comment section, everyone's like, well, yeah, tell us what happened with Alex Cooper. And she replies, how much time do you have? But again, she does not deliver.
Loads of time. Yeah. I just asked you the question. Yeah. Let's assume I'm interested.
I'm a person in the modern attention economy. I have apparently infinite amount of time for all this.
That's like when you say, how are you to someone? I go, oh my God. I mean, how much time you got? And you go, I mean, go on. They go, oh, it doesn't matter.
Yeah.
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Chapter 3: What controversy surrounds Binky Felstead's request for a free birthday cake?
It's like brake pad manufacturers who moved to Akron because that's where the cars are being made.
Yes, it is. There's a whole community out there. A TikToker called The Bravo Mums posted a video saying, Alex Cooper is so awful and I wish more people would stop making Call Her Daddy their first stop after something happens in their lives because she's profiting off of women's heartaches and failures. Alex Earle reposts that video.
Alex? Oh my God.
It's on, Richard. So Alex Cooper now feels she has to respond. She says, I don't usually address this stuff because it feels like a waste of time challenge. And honestly, it's embarrassing to participate in this. But I'm seeing the videos. I'm getting tagged. I'm seeing the DMs. It just feels long overdue. Alex Earle, hey girl, the passive aggressive repost and the likes and commenting on things.
I got to call you out here. You're going to need to get specific and say what you've got to say about me. There's no NDA. No one is stopping you.
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Chapter 4: Why are influencers becoming one of the most disliked professions?
Stop hiding behind other people and just say it yourself. And she says, maybe you're using it to distract from stuff you've got going on. Unless the fake narrative you're creating happens to be way more interesting than the truth. I have nothing to hide when it comes to you and me. So unless you have something to say, I'm out. This is over. Alex R replies. Okay, on it.
She doesn't post a whole thing about it. What she does post is a video of her waking up at Coachella and being shown this post by her friends. And if you're thinking about that as a producer, you're thinking, well, hang on a second. She says something like, you know, kudos to my friends for realizing I would want this moment on film. Maybe.
Anyway, she affects to be waking up at the morning after Coachella and reading this post.
I always think it's the most exposing moment in any television program when an actor is asleep and you know they're about to be woken up. And it's like, how are you going to do that? I pay such close attention to how people pretend they've just woken up. Huh? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Or any of those breakfast shows where someone has to knock on the door of someone and then there's another camera in the house. We know. We know. And you have to affect surprise. But anyway, she affects surprise and says, wow, this has made my whole day. Then there are all these other players commenting on the whole things. There's a guy from Barstool Sports called Dave Portnoy.
Oh, yeah. I know him. Yeah.
And then there's someone called Brianna Chicken Fry. I mean, the names are hilarious. What happened to just Barry Diller when we were talking about moguls? She's called Brianna LaPaglia, I think. Anyway, Brianna Chicken Fry says, I wasn't a fan of Alex Cooper before I knew the wrath of fucking Alex Cooper and what she does to people and how she treats people.
She's lost Brianna Chicken Fry.
Yeah, she's lost Chicken Fry. I'm friends with Alex Earl. Alex Earl told me everything that transpired between those two two years ago at the Super Bowl didn't happen.
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Chapter 5: What insights do Richard Osman and Marina Hyde share about celebrity feuds?
But if you look at those stories and you look at the people coming in, some of them are just commenting on the story. That, as we said, it's like building a hotel near a theme park. You're hoping to cream off some of the money.
So when Brianna Chicken Fry, a person who I can't believe I'm saying I know, but when Brianna Chicken Fry is saying things like that, this is all directing traffic to her and it helps her with her brand collaborations and her with her deals. All of the subsidiaries are making money off it too. So, that old adage, you know, there's no such thing as bad publicity. This is all content.
This is what their business is. This is the best content because it is making people angry or exercised or whatever, which as we know is what keeps them on the platform. That is a feature. and not a bug. The platform is creating this kind of story in the first place. Look at how it came out.
It came out by users of the platform looking at events that are staged for the platform, a Super Bowl party where you're going to post all the pictures and think, hang on, why is she not there? Why didn't she like this post? All of this, everything about it is happening because of the way the platforms work. And drama and conflict is the oil running through both these women's businesses.
And I have to say that really does keep people engaged.
And do you think there's is it entirely manufactured or was there a minor disagreement in the first place that's been blown up? I mean, in terms of the reality of.
of the thing because it sounds like to me a minor contractual dispute which would have been dealt with in the olden days by one meeting and you know a little payoff but now they've both monetized it for a good couple of years yes but it is sort of their whole business their business is them their business is
collaborating with brands or doing deals with brands or having their own product lines. And all of that means that they're competing for the same things in many ways, perhaps in lots of ways, they look the same or they bring similar audiences or whatever it is.
They've got the same name.
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Chapter 6: How does the attention economy influence modern celebrity culture?
I completely agree with you. This is not female behaviour at all.
It is not female ego or male ego. It is ego.
Yeah, it's money and gossip and they all mainline it and love it. I think actually even showbiz is less bitchy than being a mogul.
Well, look at the Epstein files. It's taught us many, many things. One of them is there's a whole series of very, very high profile men who are spending a lot of their time just bitching about each other and trying to get into each other's parties.
Yes. This is how these people, the new mogul, this is how someone, I would say Alex Cooper is probably further ascended to mogul than Alex Earle is, but this is how they dominate the attention economy, via this sort of behavior. Murdoch had Fox News, and that is a way of getting eyeballs.
They have this, and Alex Cooper has Alex Cooper, and it remains to be seen whether the people she brings into her stable are as good as she is, and Alex Earle has Alex Earle, and they're doing very, very, very well Thank you. I suppose my question is, can you become genuinely powerful like this in the way that the people we were talking about, those billionaires, were genuinely powerful?
I mean, I think so. I think, you know, given that Trump can become president and a large part of that was through what at the time was seen as new media, which is reality TV, now we would think of as old media. There's definitely a world in which a Joe Rogan or an Alex Cooper has a very, very big political career.
I completely agree with that. And I think Joe Rogan's sort of doing it now and all the beef happens, all his beef, Rogan's beef happens on air and he talks about it and it's content. As I say, everything is content and your life is content.
I mean, if you have spent many, many years owning your own narrative, not necessarily controlling it because people come in and out of it, but owning your own narrative, you're sort of exposure proof. You know, the old media who will sort of bring you on and ask you questions about, you know, labour reforms.
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Chapter 7: What ethical dilemmas arise from influencer marketing?
I thought it would do really well. It's... Maybe it will get to 75 million in the US and 200 million globally. Interestingly, more globally, which is always interesting with these kind of things, because he's got a big fan base around the world. But if they did get... I can't remember what Bohemian Rhapsody got.
Bohemian Rhapsody opened to $51 million, which was... Huge. The biggest ever music biopic was Straight Outta Compton, the NWA one, which was 60 million. I think it's going to beat both of those. So I think it's about a $50 million budget as well, Bohemian Rhapsody. And this is the same guy, right? Same producer.
They spent just over 150 million on this, but the budget has since increased to 170 because a number of reshoots were required, which we'll get to. Bohemian Rhapsody, don't forget, that was a very troubled production. All sorts of things happened there. They had Sacha Baron Cohen as the lead and he left.
And then Bryan Singer had to be removed from the motion picture in light of various... He was the director.
I love Bohemian Rhapsody. I know you did. And also, my view of that film is if you see that film as the John Deacon story, it's the greatest film ever made. Okay. Because it's just like this electrician who plays the drums and it's just like, oh my God, what's happening now? And if you see it through the eyes of John Deacon, it will win every Oscar in the world. It resolves into a good film.
I think it's a great film. I really enjoy it. Interesting. Yeah. Do you not?
No.
I like it when, you know, they go, Jack walks in and Ray Charles says, hit the road, Jack, and then turns to his piano. Yes, please.
Okay. Let's return to Michael, which I think is a film we can both agree has a more complicated story to it. Okay. But it's got very, it's got Anton Farquhar who directed Training Day. He's the director, written by John Logan, who did Gladiator, did The Aviator. They've got good people in it, and good people in it.
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Chapter 8: What lessons can be learned from the discussions in this episode?
We know him as the crowd surfing baby. And she said it was sugar coated and she's not into it. She didn't turn up to the festival. premiere or screening, whatever they've just had of it. But the other two children did. So it's all sorts of different kind of views on it. But we have to say that there is still more than one case against the estate accusing Jackson of child abuse.
I mean, as I've said before many times, I believe... He was a predatory pedophile. Just look at the evidence. We know how these things work. It's always boys. They're all about the same age. If he was really, where are all the girls? Why was there not a sort of multi-opportunity? Everyone can share a bedroom with this man with an alarmed bedroom.
But Wade Robson and James Safechuck, who were the two subjects of Leaving Neverland, that documentary, which is a brilliant documentary on HBO, their case is still and is constantly being given leave to proceed. And they're still involved with all the discovery. You know how long the American legal system takes.
There's something in that, the loss of shame in this as well, which is everyone just seems able to go, look, we're going to make a huge amount of money out of this. You know, let's just keep pushing it and pushing it and pushing it. And it does, if you're Janet Jackson or various other members of the family, you must just think that I loved my brother, but I recognize that, you know...
there are things that happened in his life that I'm not comfortable with and so you know I don't want to be part of this billion dollar industry but you know and I'm not getting any money off it in her case you know I'm fine with separating the artist from the art I don't think people should never listen to Michael Jackson or whatever even though other people do have a different view on that sort of thing
But when a sort of hagiography just tips over into complete image laundering, as we might say has happened here, I guess what they've done is they've left it open to say, oh, we'll cover all that in a sequel. It would be quite difficult to be the writer of that sequel, I must say. But if they don't do that, they will do a sequel because it's obviously going to do so well.
But if it continues to stay tipping into really quite toxic image laundering, then I think when there are victims and alleged victims still out there and their case is still rumbling through, I find that pretty difficult. And it's a very complicated thing, this, because they haven't made...
the movie they said they were going to make, they now no longer answer questions on that first script because they're saying, oh, it's a, you know, this isn't nothing that's been, it wasn't produced. This is just, we're just talking about an earlier draft of something. And I think it's interesting just how, as you say, the sort of post-Chame thing, that how many people will turn out to see it.
And as I say, there's nothing wrong with going to see a movie about Michael Jackson if it were, an honest thing but they have certainly set up a hell of a sequel I would say that now a question for you but it's also a question for people listening as well will you go and see it Yeah, I will see it because I see lots of things. It's a big newsy thing and I want to see exactly how they've done it.
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