520. Warlords of the West: Barbarian Heirs of Rome (Part 1)

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What is the story of the Franks about?

Tom Holland 0:00
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Dominic Sandbrook 0:18
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Dominic Sandbrook 1:20
What the hell is a farang? It's the Thai word for Europeans or non-Thai men. It's mostly used to describe white guys. Since we're black, you and I are actually farang dam. Alexander stared at his twin for a moment. Well, damn, he said, suddenly laughing. Laughing with him, Zachary shrugged. Farang is also the word for guava fruit. Go figure. So that, Dominic, was Guilty Pleasures by Deborah Mello. I'm sure you'll have read it. It's a romance novel describing the rivalry between two American brothers, both of them black, as we heard, Alexander and Zachary the Hammer Barrett. And they're both absolute fitness fanatics like me. And they're both obsessed by the beautiful Sarai Montrai, who is a personal trainer of
Dominic Sandbrook 2:17
and the former Miss Thailand.
Tom Holland 2:19
So of all the introductory readings we've ever had on the rest of history, that's probably the weirdest. What's going on?
Dominic Sandbrook 2:24
Well, I'm sure what will have stuck out for you was the use of this phrase, Farang Dam, which literally means Black Franks. And it was first used in the 60s to describe Black American servicemen who were being stationed in Thailand during the Vietnam War.
Tom Holland 2:41
Yeah.
Dominic Sandbrook 2:42
And Thai is just one of a number of Asian languages that uses variation of this word Frank to describe Europeans and Americans.
Tom Holland 2:52
So the Turks, for example, they use the word Franks to mean foreigners or Westerners, outsiders, don't they? And lots of people do that.
Dominic Sandbrook 2:59
Yeah. So the Greeks used to, the Arabs still do. It's a word that's used in Urdu, in Hindi, in Chinese, in Malay. And you'll have noticed in that passage of Immortal Prose I just read, the use of the word farang to describe guava fruit. And the reason for that is because it was introduced to Thailand by the Portuguese in the 16th century. So it's basically a kind of a Frankish fruit. And similarly in Cambodia, I gather a turkey is a Frankish chicken. So essentially anything that comes from what today we might call the West is Frankish. And it's absolutely bizarre because the Franks are a people who... You know, they take us back over a millennium and a half, back to an incredibly distant age and an incredibly distant part of the world.
Dominic Sandbrook 3:49
And the Franks today, and for the next few weeks, are going to be our great theme. And it is an amazing, amazing story.
Tom Holland 3:58
Well, the story of the Franks is the story in history, I think, that's most reminiscent of the sort of fantasy novels of Tolkien and George R.R. Martin and whatnot. So... It's a world of crumbling empires, of landscapes kind of scarred with ruins, of sorcerers and magic and men with massive axes and warrior queens and people plotting to poison each other and dragons and kind of mountain battles and citadels. And it really has got it all, hasn't it?
Dominic Sandbrook 4:27
The other comparison to fantasy novels is that everybody pretty much in the story has completely mad names. Right. Gundabad. That's a good name. Wulfagund. I think my favourite, Chimney Child, which is a girl's name. So anyone out there looking for a name for a daughter, I think that's a brilliant name.

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