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The Rest Is History

528. The Nazis' Road to War: Hitler Prepares to Strike (Part 1)

06 Jan 2025

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What did Hitler say about Czechoslovakia?

935.571 - 949.918 Tom Holland

And so the window of opportunity, as they see it, is beginning to close. And at the end of 1937, Hitler told his bigwigs, look, we've probably got about seven years to do this. So I think we should be looking to fight a European war by 1943 to 1945.

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952.119 - 960.342 Dominic Sandbrook

And a European war would include taking on Britain and France and attacking the Soviet Union. So, I mean, basically taking on everyone. I mean, what are his plans at that point?

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960.402 - 977.088 Tom Holland

At this point, I think it's possible that in Hitler's dream scenario, he doesn't fight Britain. I think he probably thinks he'll always have to fight France, but he thinks the French can easily be beaten. Of course, he's not entirely wrong. So he'll leave Britain to its empire. Yes, because he's making off, as we would discover in this series, he's making offers to Britain to stay out of the war.

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978.229 - 1000.721 Tom Holland

until the very last possible minute. He's spending much more effort on Britain than he is on France. So some of his generals were always anxious about this. They'd liked the idea of fighting small Central European countries. They'd never liked the idea of fighting Britain and France. But by 1938, Hitler is being encouraged in this aim by a terrible man, another terrible man.

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1001.101 - 1019.189 Tom Holland

This guy is the ultimate kind of war hawk, and he is the new foreign minister. And this is Joachim von Ribbentrop, who will be featuring a lot in this series. So if you see photographs of Ribbentrop, Ribbentrop looks kind of quite suave, doesn't he? And quite dapper, which was not his reputation in Britain, where people said he was always wearing inappropriate trousers or something like that.

1019.369 - 1030.416 Dominic Sandbrook

Yes. And he's very rude to tailors in Britain. So he'll summon them to come and, you know, measure him and then he won't turn up. So his name is Mudd. His name is Mudd on Savile Row.

1031.036 - 1033.838 Tom Holland

Well, I mean, we take Savile Row very seriously. We do.

1034.218 - 1040.602 Dominic Sandbrook

So that's very poor. And also the other thing, his name is Mudd in the Church of England because he gives a Nazi salute in Durham Cathedral.

1040.883 - 1041.183 Tom Holland

Really?

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