Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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May the God of battles crown my endeavors with success. At all events, I will take care that my name shall ever be most dear to you and Horatia, both of whom I love as much as my own life. And as my last writing before the battle will be to you, so I hope in God that I shall live to finish my letter after the battle. So that was a letter by Admiral Horatio Nelson.
It was written on the 19th of October, 1805, two days before his climactic date with destiny. One of the great dates in the British calendar, Tom, the date of the most titanic naval battle of the Napoleonic Wars, Trafalgar.
And Emma, well, who was Emma? Emma is Nelson's mistress, Lady Hamilton. And Horatia, who he also mentions in that letter, is a four-year-old girl that he had always pretended was adopted, but in truth was his daughter by Emma Lady Hamilton. And in HMS Victory, his flagship at the Battle of Trafalgar, he had their portraits in his cabin. They were his most precious possessions.
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Chapter 2: Who was Emma Hamilton and why is she significant?
the astonishment that people felt watching cinematography for the first time. So in other words, seeing a frozen image come to life, that is Emma's skill. And I think it suggests something of what made Emma so remarkable a figure is that she is like a kind of 20th century silent movie star on an 18th century stage. So she's kind of Lillian Gish or Greta Garbo, avant la lettre. And
I think when you see her in those terms, you can understand why her attitudes have the kind of impact that they do.
So a lot of people may be a tiny bit sceptical about this. And Tom, I have to admit, I was quite sceptical when I read about Emma Hamilton's attitudes because I thought they sounded remarkably similar to charades. But you're very evangelical about this, aren't you? You think that this is a kind of prefiguring of modernity.
Again and again, you read people saying, from Goethe and people who are incredibly knowledgeable Again and again, they are stupefied. And I think what they again and again emphasize is the sense that something that they had always thought of as stationary, so a statue, an image on a vase, is being brought to life for them.
And it is being done through something about Emma's ability to turn the static into motion and emotion that they find incredible. And obviously, you know, There is no cinematography, so we can't witness it. But we just have to rely on the sense of superfaction that people felt when watching it. And I think take on trust that Goethe and everybody else, they're not completely mad.
They're not just watching charades, I think.
Well, we'll come back to the attitudes later on. But there's a political side to Emma, right? She's an important kind of political person.
Yeah. So in his codicil that he's writing on the morning of Trafalgar, Nelson praises Emma as a kind of great British patriot who has done her country noble service, just as Nelson himself, of course, has done. She becomes the wife of the British envoy to Naples, Sir William Hamilton. So that's where she gets her title and name.
And while she's there, she has become the confidant of Maria Carolina Habsburg, the Queen, and a very formidable figure in her own right. And Emma exploits this friendship for Britain's benefit. And Nelson in his codicil specifically praises, and I quote, Lady Hamilton's influence with the Queen of Naples. Now, whether that's entirely for good, we will be discussing in our next episode.
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Chapter 3: What were Emma Hamilton's early life challenges?
Because there is, and this is an important part of the story, there is a big house just outside Hardon. Hardon is a village from old England with a big house and grateful villagers. And Ness is a place where the process of industrialization is kicking in very, very violently. And so for Mary, her move to Ness turns out not entirely to be a wise one.
A marriage to Henry seems to have been forced on her by a pregnancy, and as the wife of a minor, her life is not going to be a pleasant one at all. It's going to be relentless drudgery. Many wives of minors are beaten, so we don't know whether that happened with Henry, but it's a possibility. But then, just a few weeks after Emma is born, Henry dies, and the circumstances are mysterious.
emma's mother and emma herself always very pointedly keep quiet about her father they don't talk about how he died um and so this kind of speculation did he drink himself to death did he die in a brawl did he commit suicide perhaps i mean we just don't know so on one level you know this is a disaster for the little baby amy um you know she's been deprived of the potential breadwinner in the family but i think on another level
Actually, it spells a certain measure of freedom because it liberates Mary to escape the life of a worker's wife in an industrial slum, return to her native village, work there in the family house. For Mary, it's endless chores. But Amy seems to have kind of grown up Fairly unburdened by domestic responsibilities, I think. So later in life, she described her childhood as wild and thoughtless.
And what's also striking, again, to quote Kate Williams, is that she grows up strikingly statuesque. So Kate... She was tall, strong and beautiful with a thick mane of hair and strong white teeth. She had sparkling eyes, clear skin, voluptuous good health and bounding energy. And this is all the more striking because her childhood was marked by repeated kind of famines, smallpox epidemics.
But Emma is, you know, very clearly young. not a girl who's been stunted by rickets or pocked with, with sores and spots. She also seems to have learned kind of very cursory reading and writing skills, but I mean, cursory is better than nothing, which is what probably most girls of her standing would have had.
Um, and so the Kate Williams explanation for this is that perhaps Emma's mother, Mary was having an affair with someone up in the local big house, um, So she writes, somehow Mary found money that protected Emma from the worst of village hardship and helped her grow into a beauty.
Well, hold on. There's no evidence for that, right? I mean, the only evidence is the fact that Amy, who becomes Emma, is not kind of stunted and unable to read and write.
And she has reading and writing, yeah.
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Chapter 4: How did Emma Hamilton rise to fame?
But because the clients are all so rich, I mean, only the absolute kind of the top end of society can afford to go there. Obviously, there's always the hope for the girls in this brothel that they will hit the jackpot. You know, Emma can dream of finding a man who will buy her out. And that in 1781, at which point she is 16.
That is the jackpot that Emma does seem to hit in the form of a very hard-drinking, hard-hunting squire called Sir Harry Featherstone-Haw. At least I think that's how you pronounce it. It ends H-A-U-G-H. And the question is, Dominic, who is this Mr. Darcy?
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Chapter 5: What role did Emma Hamilton play in British politics?
So Emma sets off for Naples. It takes her a month to get there. She arrives on her 21st birthday, the 26th of April, 1786. And You know, within days, she realizes that she's been tricked. Greville has completely sewn her up. And Emma is devastated. And to the surprise of both uncle and nephew, she refuses to go to bed with Sir William.
And I think both Greville and Sir William had assumed that she would, that she's a good time girl. Of course she will. But she doesn't. Actually, Emma is a romantic. She has... plighted her troth to Greville. You know, she wants the security that he provided, I think both emotional and financial. And she's not prepared to just kind of move on to the very aged Sir William.
And that July, she writes to Greville and says, if I was with you, I would murder you and myself both.
Great. And yet, over time, so six months basically, she's still in Naples and eventually the flame of her ardour for Greville dies out and she actually thinks, now, is this just calculation or what is it? She thinks, I will go to bed with Sir William after all.
She has no real choice. The only choice she has, she's in a foreign country where she doesn't really speak the language. She will be penniless otherwise. Yeah, so by December, she's writing to Sir William saying, yes, I love you. Soon afterwards, it seems she begins sleeping with him.
By 1789, she's dropping heavy hints to visitors that she and Sir William are married, which Sir William does nothing to deny. And then in 1791... Sir William and Emma returned to England and there Sir William, he's got the permission of the King himself to marry Emma. And on the 6th of September, 1791, in a private ceremony at Marylebone,
Sir William Hamilton, envoy of his majesty to the court of Naples, and the one time housemaid and streetwalker, Amy Lyon, become man and wife.
And obviously for Emma, this is the fulfillment of all her dreams because right from the moment of her arrival in Naples, Sir William had been lavishing her with horses and dresses and servants and houses and gorgeous views over the Bay of Naples and everything. And now as his wife, she can be confident that all of these are hers by matrimonial right.
But it's not just, you know, she's not just being materialist about this.
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Chapter 6: How did Emma's relationship with Sir William Hamilton evolve?
Not of the best kind. I mean, that's very telling, isn't it? That's basically he wants her to play a part in his sort of erotic fantasies, no?
I don't think it's just that. I think it reflects the fact in which they're very close as a couple and that they're always working as a team. This, in turn, helps to explain the other way in which Emma is very useful to Sir William, which is as a political operator. It's the measure of Emma's charm that she's able to befriend someone far grander than Lady Palmerston, even than Lady Holland.
This is the most powerful queen in Europe because Maria Carolina is Habsburg. She is the elder sister of Marie Antoinette, And she is the wife of the Bourbon king, Ferdinand IV of Naples and Sicily. And she is effectively the ruler of his kingdom. And this is because Ferdinand is an absolute bore.
He's an oaf. He's an absolute oaf.
Yeah. John Sugden brilliantly describes him as a boisterous, big featured buffoon. So like another Habsburg, Franz Ferdinand, he's absolutely obsessed with killing animals. He loves hunting.
He would chase his courtiers around the palace with throwing the contents of a chamber pot at them.
Yes.
Throwing frogs at them and stuff like this. And that's his idea of a great laugh.
Yeah, absolutely. Vance. He also has a very shrill falsetto. So he's like a Neanderthal. Unlike Maria Carolina, who has a very deep voice. Yes. So they're an entertaining couple. But he's very dissipated and inevitably, therefore, had tried to seduce Emma. But she had pretended that she had no idea what he meant by these advances and rebuffs him.
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