How hierarchy forms and gets stuck in a feedback loop is something that many people have a hard time grasping. Today I’m speaking with Luke Kemp, author of the book Goliath’s Curse: The History and Future of Societal Collapse. The book does an incredible job of outlining aspects of rewilding that I have been teaching for many years, in a succinct way that illuminated more things I hadn’t factored into the big picture. In this episode Luke and I have a wide ranging conversation, covering various aspects of his work and filling in some of the blanks for me. Show Notes:Luke’s Academic ProfileGoliath’s CurseLuke Kemp Talk at Berkeley Economy and Society InitiativeThe Art of Not Being Governed by James C. ScottNurturing Our Humanity by Riane Eisler and Douglas FryMonumental Architecture: A Thermodynamic Explanation of Symbolic Behaviour by Bruce G. TriggerThe Great Leveler by Walter ScheidelThe Sources of Social Power by Michael MannSupport the show

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