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Chapter 1: What was the initial reaction to AJ Brown's trade to the Patriots?
Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Heifetz and I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Korolbeck. And if you're listening to this, then A.J. Brown just got traded. Probably to the Patriots. We're not 100% sure because we're recording this on May 26, 2026. And we were really afraid A.J. Brown was going to get traded while we were on vacation.
But we also kind of knew about this for months and months and months. So we kind of figured we would just record our reaction. to the trade and talk about it ahead of time and just post it and hopefully we got most of it right.
This is a true time capsule podcasting for the future experiment that we've never really done, but I'm into it. We should just do more of these. Can we do like week three, the Steelers just lost to the Bengals. DK, what are your thoughts?
Yeah, this one is this one's interesting, though, because it's basically the worst kept secret that the deal is all but done. It was a handshake deal or is a handshake deal already. And they're just waiting for June 1st to come by so they can do this. And it is a post June 1st trade, which I guess affects contracts and all kinds of different things.
Won't be boring about it, but basically June 1st, it really just means the second half of the year, which for accounting means you can split the cost on one season, cut it in half and split it over two seasons, which makes it easier.
And the Eagles structure their contracts to pay their bonuses to players by the beginning of week one instead of March, which means basically other teams, for whatever reason, don't always put the paperwork in to make it easier to trade players later in the year. So the Eagles... kind of structured A.J. Brown's trade deal to be tradable later in the year.
So it's going to save them, I don't know the exact number, maybe 30, maybe more than $30 million of dead cap for this trade to be then. Adam Schefter has implied for months that the deal is going to be A.J. Brown to the New England Patriots for... Maybe a 2028 first round pick. I don't know what else happened. Maybe Kishon Booty's in it. You guys can look it up because it hasn't happened yet.
But it seems like the bones of it is a 2028 first for A.J. Brown. Maybe it ends up being more. Maybe it ends up being less. But we'll see what happens. So with that said, though, we did want to talk about the football of it because it does seem like A.J. Brown will be the...
number one receiver for the New England Patriots this year, and it seems like the Eagles are going to go forward to Vontae Smith and Makai Lemon, their first-run pick. So I want to just start with just A.J. Brown and Drake May on the Patriots for a team that just got waxed in the Super Bowl. And DK, you're the Seahawks fan. Your team just destroyed New England.
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Chapter 2: How does AJ Brown's trade impact the New England Patriots' offense?
move that makes every, every other receiver on this team just kind of fit into their spot a little bit better. They're not trying to be something that they're not, if that makes sense. And I think, um, the prime primary thing here is AJ Brown, excellent deep threat and Drake may. is one of the best deep ball throwers in the NFL.
So it's a good match schematically, I think, and could end up being the type of move you see in the past. Like you've seen in the past, like development with Josh Allen, when Stefan Diggs came to Buffalo, it was like a huge difference for him. There's many examples of this over the years. I think that's what they're hoping this can be.
I mean, so I think the Stefan Diggs one, the example of the Stefan Diggs going to Buffalo, that is exactly what it reminded me of too. I think that A.J. Brown, so he's going to be 29 at the end of June. Obviously there's a lot of narrative things going on where A.J., he actually grew up a Patriots fan, A.J. Brown did, which front runner, who knows? A.J.
Brown obviously could have been taken by the Patriots in the draft. They took Nikhil Harry and then obviously Mike Vrabel. had A.G. Brown in Tennessee and he was awesome. And then Mike Vrabel was pissed that they traded him away. And then A.G. Brown had like almost 200 yards versus the Titans. And then the Titans fired the GM who traded him away. So it's like Mike Vrabel gets A.G. Brown back.
I don't know, Craig, what do you make? I feel like you've gone back and forth on this all season. What do you make of A.G. Brown in New England?
Now that I've been separated a little bit from having A.J. Brown on my fantasy team and how horrible of an experience that was, I do think this would be just a much better move for New England than for Philly. I feel like A.J. Brown going to the Patriots makes me, and Romeo Dobbs, who I like a lot, who I think is like a really rock solid kind of like number two, number three option,
It just fills such a huge hole and it rounds out the Patriots offensive skill group in a way that feels like this is now a legitimate team that I feel like if we want to say last year was like fluky that they got to the Super Bowl. Now I'm like, this is now a roster that I think can win a Super Bowl. And then you flip it over to Philly and I'm like,
For a team that was struggling to throw the ball as much as they were and is now kind of struggling to run the ball, which is what also kind of hurt the passing game, you lose A.J. Brown, who is a legitimate, like, you could make a case he's a top five receiver in the NFL, and now it's like you have Devontae Smith, you have a rookie, Mekhi Lemon, And where else are we here?
And we're hoping that this Petullo, Kevin Petullo, the former OC, who's now gone, you're really banking on that being the reason why all this went to shit. And that Sean Mannion, who's coming from Green Bay, will come in and everything will kind of go back closer to 2024 than to 2025.
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Chapter 3: What are the financial implications of AJ Brown's trade for the Eagles?
Getting a first-round pick for a guy after several years of production. But that being said, I agree with Craig that this, I feel like, makes their offense clearly worse. Like, definitely thinner at receiver. And maybe they just see this as we're getting a malcontent out of here. The vibes are going to be better. There's not going to be... as many questions about the quarterback.
Cause I feel like they, they are protecting Jalen hurts a little bit here because he's, they, they clearly are not on the same page. Jalen hurts and AJ Brown, like whatever, you know, whatever AJ Brown wants, he wants to be at more, wants more production. He wants more targets, whatever. Um, They're clearly not on the same page. They don't seem to get along.
Maybe they see this as like addition by subtraction because of that. But but on paper, as Craig pointed out, I mean, you're left with Tavante Smith, who is arguably a great receiver. But I don't know if like a true number one prototype in terms of his style. He might be better as a sort of complimentary number two. And then Mackay Lemon, who is in college, he was more of like a slot receiver.
You have Dontavian Wicks, who
ended up going away he left green bay after flashing at times but being really frustrating with drops and things like that terrible he's got he's got jalen he's got a agalor hands right it's the time of the weeks i want to ask you about the davante smith thing in a world where jackson smith and jigba just one offensive player of the year do you still feel like that he's not a prototypical number one thing matters like how different is davante really from jsa yeah maybe not um
Yeah, I mean, and that's like kind of the eternal question is like, what is a number one? Because you have a lot of receivers in the NFL that have put up elite production that aren't like prototypical number one types.
Well, and is it like, could you argue that the offense, it'll just be like... It will be easier to operate when you don't have a guy who's pissed that he doesn't have the ball all the time. And it's like, now you're trying to rebuild, you're trying to replace A.J. Brown in the aggregate with Hollywood Brown, Dontavia Wicks, Makai Lemon, Devontae Smith.
Is there a world in which like, great, now we can actually focus on what we want to focus on, which is Jalen Hurts and Saquon Barkley. And whoever catches the ball when we need to throw is not going to post Instagram stories about it after the game.
You know, it's funny, it's, I agree that from the business standpoint, from the Eagles, it just like, if you zoom out, it's like, they have made a profit. Like they literally are, they gave up a first for him. The Titans got frigging trail on Berks with the pick or whatever.
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Chapter 4: How does AJ Brown's presence change the Patriots' receiver dynamics?
I thought my hard work would be justified by winning it all. It wasn't. My thrill for this game comes when I dominate. It's the Hunt, capital H, that does it for me. It's when the DB drops his head and surrenders. Cause he can't fuck with me. The intense battles, early mornings, late nights. I love putting smiles in people's faces.
Don't get me wrong, but it just wasn't what I thought it would be to win a Superbowl.
I feel like that's common. That's common though. I think it happens to a lot of players.
Aaron Rogers said that, but the point is, I think, so I think there's like something larger there about like success in general in life beyond.
Yes. So yeah, the way you feel on the mountaintop is it's kind of, there's nothing up there. Like it's just, there's nothing on the top of the mountain. You got to go down now. Yeah, fuck. But the AJ Brown thing, I don't know. I see on one hand, I think it makes sense for Harry Roseman if you get it first to get it for him.
It is certainly this coming season's a huge bet on Jalen Hurts, who is, is this what, his 11th offensive coordinator at 11 years going back to college or 10th or whatever? It's like another change. And it's the Russell Wilson thing. Can Jalen Hurts play in a new offense that's allegedly going to be like more, more play action, probably more drop, more middle of the field.
And there was a great stat I saw from Ted Wynn at The Athletic. who since 2020, which is when Hertz came in, Jalen Hertz ranks 85 out of 88, 85 out of 88 eligible quarterbacks in the percentage of their throws between the numbers under 15 air yards. So the dead center is, Jalen Hurts is 85th out of 88 in how often he frequently targets it. That's where Devontae Smith would seemingly be winning.
That's where seemingly Makai Lemon would be winning. And it's like Jalen Hurts has been winning a lot on deep shots to the outside of the boundary, which is what you get A.G. Brown for. A lot of screens, a lot of stuff to Dallas Goddard, a lot of quick stuff to Devontae Smith. And so it's like, okay, how does Hurts fit with Devontae and Makai Lemon? And Eagles fans will be like, he can do it.
Like, let him get one season with the same coordinators. But we'll see, because it does... that article that came out, a lot of things do seem to be Jalen Hurts over and over again. I'm very fascinated to see what the Eagles are going to be with Devonta Smith and Mekhi Lemon and how Hurts adapts to this. But overall, though, I look at A.G. Brown as he was not locked in. He was kind of unlocked.
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Chapter 5: What role will Drake May play in the Patriots' offense with AJ Brown?
He went out and had this amazing season for the Seahawks. And part of that is because they got rid of DK Metcalf. who was for all his talents, kind of a drain, sometimes emotionally, he would always have these untimely penalties, some, some like problems with drops. It's just basically not a very reliable player.
And I think he was hurting the overall cohesiveness and maybe just the vibes of the team. And when I, when he left, I was distraught for the Seahawks. I was like, man, that he's just such an important part of their offense. Um, And I think I overestimated that because obviously what we saw this year was pretty great.
And I still think DK Mecca is a good player, but I think sometimes the chemistry of a team and the chemistry of the way the offense fits together and and and honestly, just the OC not having to worry about this guy bitching about getting the ball. constantly maybe can free him up to make some different play calls, things like that.
So, yeah, this is one of those things where it's more of a chemistry point of view. And I think I mean, I mean that more from just like players getting along. I think it's more like how does the pieces fit together? How did the different pieces of the offense fit together in the way that we're designing our offense? and employing it.
There's a chance that it, it's a chance that it works better. That's the right comp though. DK Metcalf leaving Seattle, being upset. And then JSN literally breaking the Seahawks receiving record by like week 12 is like the right comp because frankly, AJ Brown's a better version of DK Metcalf. And in college, at least Devante Smith was a better version of Jackson Smith and Jigma.
And I think that that actually is not – and it's also – the Eagles are probably moving toward closer, as much as close as they can get to something more like what this – not exactly what the Seahawks are doing on offense. But I think that that is more what they want, something a little closer to that. It might be what they want to do.
I agree with everything. The other thing I wanted to expand on just a tiny bit is that – You know, like Ted Wynn's stat that the frequency in which he passes to the middle of the field is one of the lowest in the NFL.
Because he's 6'1", and when a quarterback's six feet or under, it's all we talk about. But Hertz is not that tall.
And I think part of it is like... Part of this...
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Chapter 6: How does AJ Brown's trade affect Jalen Hurts' performance?
And I think that there's a world where he maybe goes off cliff, but I have to say, looking at it, New England, I think I ranked A.J. Brown when we first did our blind rankings and we tried not to look at other people's rankings to affect us and try to get, I ranked A.J. Brown, assuming he'd be a Patriot, like top 15 pick. And I was shocked to see him where he was.
And I'm like, his problem was he was really angry. It's a workplace issue. Like he was not locked in. I think A.J. Brown should be third or fourth, I guess the top five to lead the NFL in receiving yards. It should be like Puka and Jamar Chase and JSN. And A.J. Brown should be like right there and just talent-wise in terms of real-life receivers. I think A.J.
Brown is just as good as some of those guys. He's probably a notch below, like Jamar Chase is like a perfect receiver. But I think he fits perfectly in the New England offense for everything they want to do. And I think it's a smart trade. And DK, it reminds you a lot of the Diggs trade, to your point, for a lot of reasons.
Yeah, I'm wondering if there's a world, I mean, obviously there is a world in which we are really underrating how big of an impact this could make for Drake May. You know, because I think coming off of this last season, I think there is a little bit of a feeling there's a chance that the Patriots could regress pretty significantly based on some of the stuff that's happened this offseason.
A lot of distractions. And there's a chance here that A.J. Brown coming in could really unlock
drake may to a point that we haven't even seen it he turns into he has puts together like one of the best seasons we've seen from a young quarterback ever you know what i mean that is in the that is in the range of outcomes here if aj brown can you know do what he's done in the past which is create explosive plays create touchdowns be a you know clutch playmaker when the team really needs it things like that uh so i think there is a chance this is like potentially massive for drake may um so that's kind of another thing that i'm really excited to see
You know, initially, I kind of thought the history of trading for star wide receivers in their late prime wasn't great. If you look at the last like 10 or so years, it's not quite as bad as I thought. I basically took guys between like 28 and 32 who were stars who got traded. And I would say the three main comps I looked at is, I mean, Devonta Adams going to the Raiders when he was 30. And...
I mean, averaged 100 catches, 1,300 yards, and 11 touchdowns with his time in Vegas, even though Vegas was not good. Tyreek to the Dolphins. Tyreek had his two best seasons as a Dolphin of his career. And then DeAndre Hopkins going to Arizona. He was 28 years old when that happened. And his first season in Arizona, he had 1,400 yards and 115 catches.
And so these were all guys who were like in that 28 to 30 range. Do they still have it? I mean, Devontae Adams is still doing it. And Tyreek got super hurt, but... You know, there are other examples. There's like Calvin Ridley and Diggs went to the Texans when he was 30 and Amari Cooper going to Cleveland and he was okay. But I'm more of a believer looking through this that A.J.
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Chapter 7: What comparisons can be made between AJ Brown and other star receivers?
Like, he was better than Josh Allen was before they got Diggs. But what Drake May just did, and just to remind people, he... Like, Drake May, aside from all the rushing stuff, Drake May had this thing that you, like, never see anymore, which is his completion percentage last year. He led the NFL in completion percentage at 72%.
But Drake May also pushed the ball further downfield than basically, like... everybody in the NFL almost. I think he was second in average depth of target among qualifying passers. So it's like all the completion percentage guys are like dink and dunk, Drew Brees throwing it behind the line of scrimmage or low completion percentage. You're throwing it like Jameis. Drake May did both.
I think what the, and so if you look at, Bill Barnwell had this great stat for his MVP column. That was, I think this was like 16 weeks through the season, not the whole year. That was like, if you look at receivers over expectation, the top two was like JSN and Puka and, And then the next three of the next four guys were like Patriots receivers.
It was like Diggs and Keyshawn Booty and Matt Collins. And it's like, that's a Drake May stat. It's the same way Jaden Daniels went like 20 of 23 on fourth down. Drake May just hit all his deep passes. And I think that this is the Patriots saying, you can't do that again. Like you cannot just expect Drake May to be the single best completion percentage deep passer ever again.
And we need to go get a receiver who makes Drake May not need to be perfect. You expand the margin for error. I mean- And so that's what they got A.J. Brown for. So Drake May doesn't have to be fucking perfect at every deep pass again.
It's not dissimilar to Jaden Daniels' first year in Washington. And they kind of didn't do a whole lot for him the next year. And things took a little bit of a turn. It's funny. I was going to say, we should also mention that A.J. Brown was with Mike Vrabel in Tennessee. And now he is back with him if this trade does go through. I was going to say...
that, you know, Philly, it just feels like emotions are riding high at all times. Sirianni, you got Big Dom, Hurts. There's just a lot going on, the fans. And I was going to say that, you know, A.J. Brown reuniting with Vrabel and the Patriots, that it was like a much more like stable, rock-solid environment.
Obviously, things are a little bit topsy-turvy with New England's offseason, but I do think that there is something to like, what Mike Vrabel brings to a locker room and AJ Brown in that, in that environment and Drake made to that matter, who also just seems like a fucking rock solid, dedicated guy. Who's not going to cause drama.
And also just, I completely agree. And the Patriots, they just need a goddamn receiver can beat man coverage. And like, that's what he, what AJ Brown said is best and maybe the best guy in the NFL. And like, I remember Steve Ruiz was comparing him to LeBron, where he's like, A.J. Brown, he's the best player in the NFL. It was the double move thing because A.J. Brown is so good on slants.
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Chapter 8: What are the long-term effects of AJ Brown's trade on both teams?
literally, of every qualifying receiver, like, over 120, AJ Brown was in the slot less than anybody. He was literally last. If you sort the column, AJ Brown's dead last. I think Josh McDaniel is going to move AJ Brown all over. That's where Romeo dubs helps a lot.
Cause he can play X receiver and he can make AJ Brown can be moved around, but also dubs can also go to Z and AJ Brown can play over the X. Like, I just think they work together a lot. And it's like, they cut Patriots kind of shoestring and bubble gum, their goddamn receiver core and almost won a fucking Superbowl doing it. But like, All their receivers are role players.
And now they have like pro pro above average receivers.
Yeah, I think, you know, we we comped the DK Metcalf thing and DK Metcalf and AJ Brown. There's a reason they're comped to each other because they both went to Ole Miss. They both are incredibly ripped at the same time. Yeah, they were drafted a couple like not very many far picks apart. It was both in the second round, I believe, in 2019. Yeah.
And so they've kind of had, you know, careers that people follow closely. And I think they have a very similar skill set. I'm going back to when the Seahawks first got DK Metcalf. And part of the reason DK Metcalf was so dominant early on in his season is Russell Wilson could throw a moon ball like no one else. And I feel like Drake may can throw a moon ball like no one else.
I was just watching a replay the other day. Remarkable. Drops it in a bucket down the field. And there is a big difference. And no disrespect to Keishon Booty, but like there's a huge difference between Keishon Booty being a little disrespect. I mean, come on.
Most of the time you say no disrespect, it's pretty disrespectful.
I mean, he did a really good job, I think, relative to expectations at being a deep ball threat for the Patriots.
Every game he was like one catch, 58 yards.
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