Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Chapter 2: What are the implications of Bungie's decision to end Destiny 2 development?
I am Lindbergh, Ben Lindbergh, Button Mash host. With me today is the Ringer's deputy art lead, the Matt with the golden gun, Matt James. Hi, Matt. Hey, Ben. Matt with the golden pun, even. Rounding out our trio is a Ringer senior audio producer and a member of the Midnight Boys, Castivo Royale, Steve Allman. Hello, Steve. I'm always shaken and never served.
Well, look, fellas, we have a lot to talk about. Last week, I mentioned that there was a game that had set a new high score on Metacritic for 2026, but... Forza Horizon's reign was brief. Forza was so last week, and now a new game is entering its initials on that leaderboard. We're talking about two heavy hitters this week.
Chapter 3: How do Steam Deck price increases affect the gaming landscape?
One indie throwback, one AAA with all the bells and whistles, both the products of several years of development, both delivering 20 hours or more of meaty, good gameplay. That's right, we will be discussing 007 First Light and Mina the Hollower. What a pairing. Gamers are eating good right now. But not all gamers. And that's where we'll begin with two Patch Notes news items.
The discontinuation of Destiny. and the Steam Deck's price increase. So, Bungie is ending development of its 2017 massively multiplayer online live service sci-fi shooter, Destiny 2. It's not dead, but it's dying. It's sunsetting. It is the end of an era for Destiny, and really for gaming. There will be one last update on June 9th, And then the game will live on. They're not shutting it down.
So that's nice. It's not going the way of Concord or Highguard, but they will not be making more new Destiny. And we got an email about this that could get us started from a button mash listener and a Google Stadia player in the wild.
Chapter 4: What are the standout features of 007: First Light?
Estela Benavides, who writes, I was writing to ask if you would be covering the news about Destiny 2. It feels like we all saw this coming, but still I am sad. This is the game that got me into playing video games in 2019 via Stadia. I got a Founders controller for Stadia and everything.
After they shut down, I kind of stopped playing because my partner and I would play together, but not having Stadia anymore meant buying only one console and losing our ability to play together. My first gamer friends across the world were through Destiny 2. Would love to hear what you think.
Thank you for the email, which was sent, of course, to ringerversegaming at gmail.com, where we welcome all your correspondence. And Estella, I'm sure, is one of many people who got into gaming via Destiny. So what was your reaction?
I guess the writing has been on the wall for this game and this franchise for some time, but it was still somewhat shocking to see this happen, given that we're just about a year removed from Bungie saying it was entering a new phase of Destiny 2, the Fate Saga. And I guess the fate was for the game to be more or less ended. So they were supposed to include four expansions.
A couple of them came out, but then some of them disappeared from the roadmap. And now the game has run out of road. So, Matt, what do you make of the quasi ending of Destiny 2?
Yeah, I think, as you said, the writing was on the wall, but but. It also is kind of ending pretty unceremoniously for a game as important as Destiny 2. You would have hoped that they could complete the roadmap, so to speak, and go out with a bang. And this is much more of a whimper. But I don't think anyone is surprised about this, especially with Marathon, Bungie's other...
game, the newer Bungie game that has been released to critical acclaim and slowly diminishing player counts. Yes. I don't think that's a surprise to anyone. It's a sad day for people who are fans of Destiny and especially knowing that there are no plans right now to make a Destiny 3 and rumors bouncing around on the internet that layoffs are indeed coming for Bungie yet again. Again. Yeah.
It is a rough, rough time.
Steve, your eulogy for Destiny?
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Chapter 5: How does Mina the Hollower pay homage to classic gaming?
But I recall for a lot of the time, at least for the several years that were leading up to its departure, that people were mostly complaining about it and mostly not happy with the direction that it was going in, only to know that it is now sunsetting and then we're now sad that it's gone.
Which is, I guess, you know, the time in memoriam types of sentiment that goes around with the online gaming communities anyway. But it's not so much appreciated now that it's gone. And the fact that Bungie doesn't have like a solid gold plated hit on their hands to transition us out of Destiny 2, I think is a bit more of the, you know, egg on our face Bungie moment that...
on the eve of assured layoffs that is going to be coming with the less than stellar release of Marathon, that's going to be the real legacy that Destiny goes out under, is that it is going to be sacrificed to a perceived lesser game.
Yeah, I imagine that there's some Destiny superfans who are saying, wait, we just wanted to grouse about this game. We didn't want you to kill it. We wanted to continue to complain about it. This is an overreaction, but... It's been years since I have been a Destiny player, and I go back to the that wizard came from the moon days of Destiny all the way back.
But I fell off at some point, as many people did, most people did. And I can't even blame that on Bungie slash Sony mismanagement, I think. The Destiny phase of my life just ended because I tend to stop playing games. I am not so much live service brained. Even if I like a game, I'm not necessarily going to be playing it for a decade. I may just move on. So Destiny released the final shape.
That was a couple of years ago, right? And then that was not the final shape. But for a lot of people, it was because that was a good time to walk away. It was acclaimed, that big DLC that brought to a conclusion that light and darkness saga. And then they kept it going.
And yes, I think part of the fact that the way that they rolled out Destiny 2 content with new DLC and then would gate the old DLC and retire that so that you could no longer play it, that was always kind of awkward in my mind. I understand why they did it.
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Chapter 6: What are the challenges faced by Bungie after Destiny 2?
But between that and just the general fatigue that often inflicts live service, yes, I think a lot of people had sort of soured on the game. And the player counts told that story. And they don't tell an encouraging story about Bungie writ large, really, because...
Sony sort of threw Bungie under the bus earlier this year, right, and announced publicly that essentially Bungie is now worth a lot less than Sony paid for it, you know, 3.6 billion or whatever it was. And they took a, you know, 700 something million dollar write down and said that it had declined in value, essentially. And whether that is partly Sony's fault or not, that seems to be the fact.
And there's nothing really coming. Not only is there no new Destiny game in the works, you know, there are people reportedly pitching new Destiny ideas internally, but there's no Destiny 3 in the works. There was a Destiny game, sort of a related spinoff that was in development that was axed at some point years ago.
Maybe if they had just done Destiny 3, I would have been more likely to jump back on board because that would have been a more natural starting point or rejoining point maybe than just the latest in a long, long line of expansions, many of which were inaccessible after a while. So I don't know whether you think that is part of the story here that...
Maybe they should not have continued to keep Destiny 2 going. Maybe they should have had a sequel. But then again, I guess that's sort of what Blizzard tried to do with Overwatch. And then they said, wait, no, it's Overwatch again.
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Chapter 7: What gameplay mechanics make 007: First Light unique?
It's not Overwatch 2. But maybe that never felt like a true sequel.
It's hard to keep a live service game going for years and years and years. I mean, even Fortnite now is sort of panicking with some player drop off. The Fortnite, which seemed to be just a juggernaut that would never go away, you're starting to think like, could we see that? The end of Fortnite in the next three years?
Yeah, Destiny 2 seemed to try to channel the spirit of Fortnite by just doing a Star Wars expansion and being like, what if Destiny but Star Wars? Yeah, but Goku isn't in it yet.
So it's not really going to be in Fortnite territory yet. I'm just saying the idea that Fortnite could end honestly feels impossible right now. Like that's, that's an idea of like, I wouldn't say a cultural apex, but like a cultural crossroads of like everything that is either gaming and popular culture short of like Roblox and Minecraft.
And those two, those three things just seemed like kind of ubiquitous with what, gaming is right now. And to think that even the destinies of the world, which were extremely well played, if not well liked, which is occasional at best,
To think that we detransitioned from the live service model that Bungie seems to want to make its bread and butter from, and with the, I'll say, complete and utter mismanagement of the reading of the market by Sony, a la the Concords of the world and every other live service game that they just...
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Chapter 8: What are the future prospects for gaming hardware and software?
can't seem to let go of. I just got an email from my PSN account saying that All-Star Destruction Live is going to be going away. I was like, oh, wow. Destruction All-Stars. Destruction All-Stars, wow.
That further proves your point, I suppose.
Yes. Great. Can't wait to sunset that. I don't know. I think that seeing that just happen to coincide with Marathon going free to play for a week, just a week. We promise nothing more. Please, God, it really doesn't show any good signs. Like it's going to be all bummers around. And by the time we get to the Steam Deck, I'm going to outright like rage at the status of the world right now.
But then we'll talk about 007 First Light and Mina and our faith will be restored, hopefully. Yeah, a game that's also about AI ruining the world. Great. Timely, topical. Yeah. Well, look, I think part of it is just that Destiny 2 entered a very different world than the one we're in right now. And it was a lot less crowded in the quote unquote live service space.
And that space really got taken over by a bunch of games that follow in Destiny 2's footsteps and took a lot of its players away. So part of it is just, I think, that it was an early adopter, a first mover, and now it's a much more competitive time.
And I think it might be tough for people at Bungie to pitch a Destiny 3 that's anything like Destiny 2 because those games aren't getting greenlit now because so many of them have failed, which we have lamented that live service pivot. I think companies are finally realizing, yeah, this is extremely risky.
And we will start to see that manifest several years down the road, because that's how long it takes to make games. But it is sort of sad as someone who spent many happy hours playing the Destinies. And now Marathon, I think we pretty much pegged in our pot about it, which is, hey, there's a good game here, but it is not
the mainstream appeal game that Bungie or certainly Sony were hoping for here. And the player counts have declined. Everyone's been watching that spiral on SteamDB down to about 10,000 or so concurrent players on Steam.
And there's still more people playing Destiny 2 than Marathon now, actually, even before this little dead cat bounce that happened after people realized that, oh, right, Destiny 2 still exists. I should probably play that while I still can. And we kind of thought, hey, there's a good game here that a lot of people will like, but it's not for everyone.
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