Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
This is The Run Through, and I'm Chloe Mao. And this week, Choma is at Estelle Manor at British Vogue's Wellness Retreat in Oxfordshire. I'm very jealous. It looks fabulous. But my co-host, Nicole Phelps, is back with me in the studio to run through the headlines of the week. Hi, Nicole. Hi, Chloe.
On today's episode, I spoke to two fantastic wedding planners, Marcy Blum and Melissa Sullivan, about what goes into making the high-profile weddings we love to feature on Vogue.com. And we talked about everything from the biggest bridezillas and groomzillas, what these women think you should actually splurge on for your big events.
And we even speculated a bit on where Taylor and Travis will get married. First, though, Nicole, tell us about some Vogue runway scoops of the week.
Yes. Henry Zankoff, who is a former Vogue and CFDA fashion fund funder, was named the artistic director of Diane von Furstenberg. And it's a new role at the brand. So we couldn't be prouder here at Vogue. Henry is someone who we've watched since he launched his brand in 2020. And there are a lot of people inside One World Trade who love his colorful knits and geometric designs.
Prints and patterns and... Sequins. I love his sequins. And sequins. And so he's a really good fit for Diane von Furstenberg. In fact, he worked at Diane von Furstenberg in the mid-2010s when Jonathan Saunders was there.
Yes. So it's a nice bit of a homecoming.
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Chapter 2: What wedding planning secrets do top planners share?
And I actually went and had lunch with DVF last Thursday right before Nicole went and interviewed Henry. And it was fun to see, you know, she has this amazing... office building on 12th Street. And she's been there for 20 years, right before the High Line was opened. And it's six floors of her office space and her living space. She has an apartment above it.
And so as you sort of walked up the stairs, like in a dollhouse, you went past, Henry was sort of working on mood boards and fabrics. And then there's also Her husband, Barry Diller, has a floor for his little island park, which is across the highway. And so you really saw this whole sort of the DVF world at work. And it's fun to see how Henry's already been integrated into that.
And I'm very excited for him.
Yes, that's a great building. It's been through so many different lives. I remember seeing DVF shows there way back in the day. Oh, yeah, totally.
And all the resort presentations there. There has been... I know, DVF's a bit like a cat with nine lives.
She is, and there's been a lot of creative directors who have worked for her, but this one feels like it could really stick because, as I said, he's been there before, so he gets it, and they know each other. Dionne said that they come from the same tribe. I guess both of their parents hail from a town that I cannot pronounce in what was the kingdom of Romania but is now Moldova.
Yes, their grandparents were born in the same town. So Diana's convinced their cousins.
Yeah.
And DVF is now spending more time in Venice. She officially considers herself a Venetian resident. And so she is very happy to have someone be taking the reins at the brand. And I have to say, I feel like with all the nostalgia for different decades past right now, there is such a – DVF does feel cool. Do you have any wrap dresses in your closet? I do. I don't have any wrap dresses.
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Chapter 3: How do wedding planners handle difficult clients?
Alyssa Hardy interviewed him about how he felt about the sale because he's not involved anymore. He found out 20 minutes before it was announced. He is starting his own new company that we don't know too much about yet because I have a suspicion he's not sure exactly what it's going to be yet. But he launched the website yesterday. Stillradical.com.
I don't think that young people's interest in sustainable shopping has changed. I just think the way that they're going about it is really different. I think that since Everlane launched, the resale market has totally boomed. And now, if you're thinking economically and sustainably when you're shopping, you're going to resale sites or you're going to vintage stores or thrift stores.
And, you know, my teenage son, I mean, there is no shame. It wouldn't even cross his mind to, you know, ask a question, do I want something secondhand? It's almost like the only place they shop.
It's true. My 20-year-old niece will not buy new clothes. It's kind of remarkable, her commitment. She came to New York for a week and the entire – it was like an odyssey around Manhattan and Brooklyn to secondhand stores, all that she all found on TikTok. So, yes, I think you're right that that does –
Chapter 4: What are the biggest trends in wedding planning today?
Make me feel a bit better.
Nicole, what did you do for the long weekend? I was up in Connecticut, in rainy Connecticut, with my mom and dad celebrating my dad's 85th birthday. Oh, my God. What did your mom make? It's his birthday today, actually. I told her to make my favorite Bacardi rum cake, which is made with a lot of Bacardi rum. Oh, my God. Moist and delicious.
Oh, my God.
And we also had a salad from her garden. She has a— Already? Yes. She keeps a plot on a communal farm in her little town in Connecticut. And we had the first fresh leaves.
The farmers who live down the road from us in Connecticut were very upset about the scorching heat followed by the monsoon rains. They said it was not good for their crops.
So I think it confused her, too, about when to plant what. Her planning schedule is all out of whack.
Her CSA might be delayed. Yeah. Yes, we had Arthur Albert's sixth birthday. It was Disney villain themed and it moved into our garage. But it was wet. It was very wet. But, you know, everyone was very happy. And my mother dressed up as Maleficent. And I made the mistake of telling Artie that he couldn't open any gifts until everyone left.
So he just walked around the party asking everyone when they were leaving. Yeah. So I will not be doing that next year. And then Artie and I went to see The Sheep Detectives on Sunday.
It is the best movie of the year. I tried to take my nephews to see it, but they had already seen it. Oh, my God. So I'm still waiting.
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Chapter 5: How can couples create a memorable wedding experience?
It was sort of a lavish wedding weekend in Tuscany is over a million. A coastal celebration in New England is going to... Set you back about 472K. An intimate wedding in Canada is the only one probably under 100K. So, yes, I thought, oh, no, a backyard wedding in France is 40,000.
Yeah, I thought this was really fun and really did some good research and reporting on to what goes into that and will be very helpful for real brides. And with that, let's get into our conversation with wedding planners Marcy Blum and Melissa Sullivan. Nicole, thank you for joining for Headlines. Thanks for having me, Chloe. Happy resort to those who celebrate.
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Thoughtful. Exquisite. Just, you know, real.
I am so excited to be speaking with two of Vogue's favorite wedding planners, Marcy Blum and Melissa Sullivan. Welcome, ladies. How are we feeling? We're feeling great. Fine Tuesday morning. Welcome to the show. I want to know if you two have ever met before.
We have. Apparently, I said something funny to you. I hope it was funny and not— It was hilarious.
Oh, good. What did Marcy—what wisdom did Marcy have?
Dispense. We had become friends on Instagram first. It was really nice. I think you reached out and just said nice things, and we were connecting.
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Chapter 6: What should couples prioritize in their wedding budget?
What about you, Melissa?
Be careful.
2010 is when I started. What was your path to planning?
I studied here in New York City. I went to FIT, and I had a college internship with Colin Cowie, who's another planner here in New York. And that turned into a job for five years. And then I moved to California, worked for two others, and then post-COVID branched out finally and started my own business five years ago.
You worked for Mindy Weiss in California. Yes. What was a lesson Mindy taught you?
So many. She has the gift of gab in a way like no one else. And it was so interesting watching her connect with her clients in a really deep way, which I think has really helped me to make intimate connections.
I wonder, Marcy, what has been the biggest change in the wedding industry in the last 10 years and 20 years?
I think 20 years ago, which I just read something in The Times last week about what a new trend to personalize your wedding. I was like, are you kidding?
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Chapter 7: How important are wedding themes and decor choices?
You know, that was 20 years ago. Okay. So I think 20 years ago, it went from being a formulaic, you know, first dance, cake cutting, blah, blah, blah, to how does it evoke who you are? What's an example of that? Signature cocktails originally, which now seems like, are you kidding? But then it was as if, you know, I invented the moon. I was, what a great idea.
What was your first signature cocktail you ever did?
Oh, I'm sure it was a martini that we called something else. Like, you know, the Mr. and Mrs. Fluff-off-tini, whatever. And I was like, I'm brilliant. And then monograms and things like that. That became really, you know, it was all personalized. But I think now... In the past 10 years, it is maybe not exactly who you are, but who you'd like to be is more of what is happening.
How you see yourself in the best case example or the most creative example or the most arty persona. And I say it all the time. I think creativity is the new flex as opposed to money.
Interesting.
What's an example of creativity versus just spend? We just produced a wedding for a wonderful couple. She's a singer. They're in the video game business, and it basically took place. It was in the Hall de Lumiere downtown, which is a video mapping establishment, and the wedding really took place in a big part of their video game. Like all video mapped, you know. So it was very, very cool.
And, you know, a little bit of Ren Faire, a little bit of people at costumes. We had a costume shop for the guests. Oh, my gosh. People got such a kick out of it. And I'm sure Melissa will say, everyone's bored by wedding. They get an invitation. And unless it's from one of us, and it's not just the two of us, there's like, you know, let's say 20 of us.
Unless it's from one of us, they're like, oh, God, please don't make me have a holiday weekend at someone's wedding, you know, because they're boring.
Well, that's a good etiquette question that I was just discussing with a younger friend who's on a wedding, her wedding circuit in her early 30s. Yes or no to a wedding over a holiday weekend? Yes.
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Chapter 8: What etiquette should be followed regarding speeches at weddings?
They live in San Miguel now, and Bruce used to live in France, and they wanted to go. So I said, let me give you the miles, you know, so you can go first class, business class, whatever. It was 2 million miles. Oh, my God. I was like, whoa, that was a hell of a present I gave you. So everything, it's getting to rely on miles.
I am curious. what it's like booking a headliner for a wedding because you had Snoop Dogg perform in Dubrovnik. Wow, you are amazing. How does that process begin? Are you reaching out to people? Are the bride and groom reaching out to people?
We wouldn't let them do that. Are you kidding? We'd never get a headliner. Well, I mean, for example, we had a birthday party last night. I mean, we did it for one of my long-term clients, wonderful person. We had James Taylor. And the way the process of getting a headliner, by the way, and I'm sure Melissa knows this, is not at all what you would imagine. You have to make an offer.
You call up, and they'll say, make an offer. You call the agent. They'll say, make an offer, and we will get back to you. So it's like pin the tail on the price. If you say, you know, $500,000, they'll go, ha, ha, ha, don't even consider. I was like, can you give me a window? No, and you just keep going back.
And some people, like James Taylor, is absolutely lovely and delicious to work with and fantastic. And there are other times you're like, wow, I don't know, we just spent a zillion dollars, and I'm not sure anybody got it.
Right.
So, yeah. What's the craziest rider you've ever gotten? Oh, I'm working on one now, and I can't say who it is. Give us a specific of what's in it. Well, what's in it, interestingly enough, is— Like nerds' gummy clusters? Are very, very specific details on what the entourage or crew can and will eat.
Well, that's nice.
It is nice. I appreciate that. Supporting your entourage.
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