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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
They're outsourcing who they actually are and their thinking to something else. I want you to get better at thinking through these hard problems instead of outsourcing that thinking.
What is it that Ryan Hawk does that looks like cheating to me?
The way that I give and receive love is curiosity. This idea of going to bed a little bit wiser than you were when you woke up.
Chapter 2: How does Ryan Hawk view the dangers of outsourcing thinking to AI?
I think it is a daily fistfight to suffocate excuses. Any excuse softens the character.
I mean, there is nothing more intoxicating as a leader than someone who's coachable. Ryan, dude, I know you're a busy man. I am incredibly excited to have you on the show.
Chapter 3: Why is curiosity considered a competitive advantage?
I was going to save this, but you brought it up, and I asked you the question. You answered it in the green room, and it's actually very hot on my brain, so I'm going to be incredibly selfish at the start of this podcast. You said one of the things that you're curious about is this idea of outsourcing your thinking, outsourcing your intelligence to AI and, you know...
I want to dig into this topic. I think this is one of the topics of our day. And you're someone who talks to a lot of incredibly smart people, a lot of incredibly growth-driven, well-run organizations, leaders, I mean, leaders at the top of their game. So how are the people in your circle, the people that you're having conversations with every day, how are they starting to address this topic?
Because I have some opinions that I want to run past you, but I want you to kind of level set this for us.
Yeah, well, I think it's hard to know how everybody's using it, but I think what my concerns are from a leadership perspective, what I'm seeing are people outsourcing their thinking, their creative output to AI.
I think it's important to understand how to best utilize the technology for you, not act like it doesn't exist or try to be the old timer who said back in my day, like none of that nonsense either.
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Chapter 4: What role do excuses play in leadership and character development?
But if you completely outsource your creative output to say, hey, can you write an email to my team for me? That's a big mistake. How about you have it be a research assistant for you or potentially edit some things for you, but to flat out outsource your thinking
a lot of studies have come out recently about how your brain will literally atrophy it will be just like if you lift weights or stop lifting weights um how that could that could hurt you uh hurt your brain and so yeah i think it's important when i work with leaders i always try to uh we talk about their actual writing practice getting the messy thoughts out of your head onto the page and if you short change that process if you don't do it um
I think that you're hurting yourself long term. In the short term, yes, it can be helpful to get answers, to fire back something quickly. But also people, when you look at the ones who are most effective over the long term, we follow others because we authentically know them and are inspired by them and want to get in line behind them.
And if they're outsourcing who they actually are and they're thinking to something else, That's you're less authentically you. And then I think you're going to have less of an opportunity for people to want to follow you and get in line.
Chapter 5: How can being coachable enhance leadership effectiveness?
So anyway, I think it's very nuanced. I don't think it's a this or that or use it or not. Like most things in life, it's not binary. It's, hey, it's a little bit of gray. Let's figure out the best way to utilize technology without outsourcing our thinking. What do you think, though?
So I posted actually this morning, I was out for my walk. I go for a 40 pound ruck walk. I wear the vest, not the thing on your back. I just found that puts a little too much strain on my lower back, but I love the weighted walks.
Chapter 6: What practices can help develop a mindset of curiosity?
And I, you know, I was just, I shouldn't do this, but I popped open my phone while I was walking. I was like halfway through my walk and my mind started to wander. I popped my phone and the very first thing I see on top is some marketing guru or influencer. To be honest with you, I didn't even recognize the person's name, even though I'm connected to them. And they were hammering AI slop.
So I just popped open my phone. I pulled my phone up and I did this video and I posted on LinkedIn and it was essentially like, I think the people who are AI slop shaming, and this is not what I think you are doing, but I think the people right now who are out on the internet AI slop shaming are the ones who are going to lose or are trying to sell you something.
And the reason I think that is, like all things, don't we have to kind of be crappy at the thing first before we get good at it, right? Like if you're using AI to help you create emails,
Chapter 7: How can feedback influence personal and professional growth?
your first few times you use it, it's maybe going to sound a little more clunky or a little more like that, you know, not X, Y, you know, it's not X, it's Y, you know, all these kind of standard patterns that AI falls into, you know, as you kind of maybe fill in some of the gaps around a premise of an email. And like, it's, the AI itself is a little just sloppy right now.
And don't we have to work through that period, right?
Yeah.
to get to a period where you can mix your intelligence, your thought, your novel ideas with the horsepower of research and articulation that AI can provide.
First of all, I like that you... That first point is so true, and I hadn't thought of it that way, so I appreciate you sharing that. I think that makes a lot of sense that most things when they're new are kind of a mess, and it takes time to get through the growing pains, and I think some of that's happening. With that said, if people are...
I feel like you're the type of guy who would be willing to work through the mess and get to the other side where then you're also using the best of your brain and your ability to think and your ability to utilize technology the right way and use the tool and combine them the right way.
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Chapter 8: What are the implications of ego in accepting feedback?
Whereas some of the fear is that leaders completely outsource parts of their job and never go back to trying to work that muscle. Specifically, I think when it comes to writing in your own voice, getting the messy thoughts out of your head onto the blank page. That thing, that process, that's why I write books.
It's four times, first and foremost, for me, for me to get clear on what I think about this specific topic of whatever that project is about. And I think if you shortchange that or you don't go through the rigor of what it takes to get to the other side of the messiness of the thinking and what do I actually think about this? I think that's the potential issues. that I think you see out there.
But yes, the AI slob shaming, you know, we've probably all done it a little bit or maybe you haven't, but I've not publicly done that. But if I see a friend post something where it's obvious they didn't write, I'll be like, dude, just make sure you're not, make sure you're not just like, this is all you're going to do moving forward. We know you didn't write that.
Like I want you to ask 17 M dashes in it.
Yeah, of course. It's not this. It's that speaking in threes and dashes all the stuff. If that's what you're going to do all the time, I think we're all going to know and maybe the tools to get better. But it's I don't even care about how good the tools get. I want you to get better at thinking through these hard problems instead of outsourcing that thinking.
So that's that's the main thing I want for leaders is to make sure that you're still working that muscle of figuring out and working through hard problems so that that muscle doesn't atrophy.
Yeah, and I love that. And I think that's the way the feedback should come, right? And I think, you know, you should reach out to your buddy on the side and say, hey, man, like... Not that I don't disagree with what you put, but there's like six sentences with em dashes and like, you know what I mean? Like maybe next time, like take a run through it once. You know what I mean?
Like on the side, yeah, 100% because we need that feedback to get better. But I just, I worry that there's so much AI doomerism out there right now that people are going to
either take what feels comfortable, which is just not engage and keep doing what they've always doing, which I think is an absolute path to destruction, or they're going to play it super safe and never really learn the nuances of these tools. Because if you're willing to dive deeper into them, the possibilities are absolutely endless. And one comment that I have on what you said is,
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