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Franz Jagerstatter: Episode Three

27 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the setting and context of Franz Jagerstatter's story?

1.617 - 29.397 Narrator

1943, Austria. Five years have passed. While the German war machine pushes through Europe, Saint-Rodrigan has remained peaceful, and Franz and Fanny have three young daughters. But with the war escalating, almost everyone they know has sided with Hitler's Nazi party. In a country transformed, Franz is a lonely outsider, and his allies are disappearing fast.

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34.945 - 54.994 Peter Atkinson

We've been waiting here for hours, Franz.

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55.715 - 57.237 Fanny Jägerstatter

Are you sure he's going to see us?

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Chapter 2: How does Franz feel about the escalating war around him?

57.678 - 60.362 Franz Jägerstatter

Patience, Fanny. The bishop is a busy man.

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60.702 - 61.964 Fanny Jägerstatter

You had an appointment.

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62.625 - 64.007 Franz Jägerstatter

Maybe you shouldn't have come.

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64.105 - 66.148 Fanny Jägerstatter

I don't understand why we are even here.

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66.728 - 87.634 Franz Jägerstatter

Who else could answer my questions? Why is it so important to you? Nazi doctrines on race are incompatible with the faith. I want to know our duty as Catholics. It's not our war. But starting an unprovoked war? A power grab? Invading sovereign countries? Imprisoning your political opponents? What's next?

Chapter 3: What challenges does Franz face as an outsider in his community?

88.275 - 93.544 Franz Jägerstatter

None of this has anything to do with us. They are attempting genocide against the Jews.

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93.985 - 96.812 Father Fürthau

Should we do nothing? Herr Jägerstatter?

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97.313 - 97.514 Franz Jägerstatter

Yeah?

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97.975 - 99.258 Father Fürthau

The bishop will see you now.

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101.203 - 102.266 Franz Jägerstatter

Pray for me, Fanny.

102.847 - 103.208 Father Fürthau

I will.

107.339 - 114.486 Franz Jägerstatter

Herr Jägerstatter. Thank you for seeing me, Your Excellency. Yes, please, sit down. Danke.

Chapter 4: What questions does Franz have regarding his Catholic duty amidst war?

115.407 - 147.218 Franz Jägerstatter

Father Fürthau said you have some pressing questions for me? Yes, Excellency. I have some questions prepared. I want to know who will give us the guarantee that it is not sinful to belong to a party that aims to eradicate the Christian faith? Party? The Nazi Party? Naturally. Who gives us a guarantee that any action is not sinful? Presumably the Church? Naturally.

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147.8 - 171.328 Franz Jägerstatter

When has the Church given its approval for someone to obey what the Nazi Party commands us to do? Church is not in the business of adhering to any political party, as you well know. But your own predecessor said you cannot be a good Catholic and a true Nazi, as you well know. Where is your anxiety over the Nazis leading you, Herr Jägerstatter? I cannot fight in this war.

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171.608 - 198.004 Franz Jägerstatter

Have you been required to? Local men are being called for military service. You know the gospel. Do not be anxious about tomorrow. With all due respect, Excellency, you do not have children. But have you been called up to fight? Is this war a just war, Your Excellency? The Germans invaded Poland and France. They are bombing civilians in England.

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198.985 - 230.078 Franz Jägerstatter

What if I am required to swear the oath of allegiance to Hitler? There is your what-if again. The sins of the Fuhrer are not the... The sins of the Nazis, they are not your sins. But if I swear allegiance to the Führer, do I not offend God? Franz! You would be killed by the Germans. Should I not die rather than commit a sin? Your primary responsibility is to those closest to you.

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230.138 - 234.948 Franz Jägerstatter

Your wife and children. Would you leave them fatherless?

Chapter 5: What moral dilemmas does Franz confront regarding military service?

235.389 - 273.326 Franz Jägerstatter

Am I to teach my daughters that it is right, even commendable, heroic to offend God? Did the Lord not say we will become his witnesses, his martyrs? The path to martyrdom is an extraordinary call from above. It is a summons from God. Has he not called? Such a calling has to be properly discerned. I can assure you it has been. Thank you for your time, Excellency. I'll see myself out.

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281.021 - 282.243 Franz Jägerstatter

Fanny, we're leaving.

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282.824 - 286.07 Fanny Jägerstatter

That was fast. Franz, what's wrong? What did he say?

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290.177 - 292.782 Franz Jägerstatter

Not here. Let's discuss it outside.

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297.908 - 299.189 Fanny Jägerstatter

It's cold out here.

299.81 - 301.292 Franz Jägerstatter

The bishop didn't answer my questions.

301.793 - 302.373 Fanny Jägerstatter

What do you mean?

302.914 - 304.576 Franz Jägerstatter

Maybe he thought I was a Nazi spy.

304.916 - 305.677 Fanny Jägerstatter

What did he say?

Chapter 6: How does Franz's wife, Fani, react to his beliefs and decisions?

354.514 - 358.98 Vater

Rosal, behind the curtain again. Careful.

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359.04 - 363.066 Maria

Oops, don't tell Papa.

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364.888 - 365.549 Franz Jägerstatter

Here we are.

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365.589 - 367.712 Maria

Papa, Mama.

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367.732 - 372.639 Franz Jägerstatter

I'm going to my room. My daughters. And a broken vase.

373.641 - 380.882 Father Fürthau

It was a loser. Rosal, do not lie to Papa. Go play outside. Is everything okay?

381.002 - 382.665 Maria

But I want to play with Papa.

383.126 - 394.246 Franz Jägerstatter

Of course I will play with you, Maria. Franz! Why don't we see if there is anything ripe to pick in the field? Yay! Come.

394.266 - 394.867 Fanny Jägerstatter

Franz!

Chapter 7: What does Franz believe about his responsibility to his family?

662.498 - 663.921 Fanny Jägerstatter

Can we talk?

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665.544 - 666.546 Franz Jägerstatter

Excuse us, father.

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672.719 - 676.543 Fanny Jägerstatter

You scare me, Franz. What will become of our family?

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677.344 - 689.515 Franz Jägerstatter

I know these past few... years have been difficult. We should not be anxious about tomorrow, hm? Who knows? The war may be over soon, or this heartache for nothing.

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690.717 - 695.601 Unknown

Herr Jägerstatter? Yes? A letter for you. Good day.

696.803 - 697.263 Fanny Jägerstatter

What is it?

698.885 - 702.388 Franz Jägerstatter

A summons. I'm being called up to the infantry.

713.928 - 727.552 Peter Atkinson

Hi, this is Peter Atkinson from The Mary Beggars. Tune in to Episode 4, From the Other Side, to hear the next installment of Franz Jägerstatter. Listen to all the episodes and discover new shows at thesaintspodcast.com.

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