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Franz Jagerstatter: Episode Two

26 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What historical context sets the stage for Franz Jagerstatter's story?

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1937. As Adolf Hitler begins his annexation of Austria, newlyweds Franz and Fanny make a honeymoon pilgrimage to Rome. Franz has read more about his Catholic faith and about the Nazis' political project. When he hears the Pope give a stirring anti-fascist speech, he is more resolved than ever to resist the Nazis and their strongman leader, no matter the cost.

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34.355 - 38.006 Peter Atkinson

The Saints, Adventures of Faith and Courage.

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Chapter 2: How does Franz's honeymoon pilgrimage to Rome influence his beliefs?

38.909 - 48.718 Peter Atkinson

Franz Jägersatter, Episode 2, Nazis at the Door. Listen to all the episodes and discover new shows at thesaintspodcast.com.

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I've never seen the Holy Father in person before.

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65.574 - 66.796 Franz Jägerstatter

Shh, quiet.

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There he is.

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Chapter 3: What impact does the Pope's anti-fascist speech have on Franz?

69.919 - 95.864 Franz Jägerstatter

Dear brethren, the storm of war blackens the German skies. Enemies of God are exalting their race and their civil authority over the authority of God. The false doctrine of the Nazis is apostasy. We must reject it. We must remain in the church, in a state of grace.

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Chapter 4: How does Franz's relationship with Fani reflect the challenges of their time?

96.845 - 120.289 Franz Jägerstatter

We must answer their wickedness with the words of Christ. He that shall deny me before men shall be denied before the angels of God. The only other path that is left is martyrdom, with which comes the sure hope of eternal life.

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Rome is so beautiful, Franz.

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Chapter 5: What are the implications of the Nazi rise in Austria for Franz and Fani?

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What's bothering you, husband?

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137.596 - 139.118 Franz Jägerstatter

What the Holy Father said.

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The Nazis, Franz. Oh, must you keep going on about it? We're on our honeymoon.

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Chapter 6: How does Franz confront the moral dilemmas posed by Nazi ideology?

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The Holy Father has condemned them. Our own bishop has condemned them. Yet parishes in Austria fly swastikas. Catholics are joining the Nazi party by the thousands.

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Can't we focus on us, Franz?

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Chapter 7: What is the significance of the voting process in the context of the Anschluss?

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On starting a family together?

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163.042 - 165.325 Franz Jägerstatter

Don't you see, Fanny...

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No, I don't. You seem obsessed.

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169.377 - 172.482 Franz Jägerstatter

It's like everyone is being swept up in a tide.

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Chapter 8: How do Franz and Fani navigate their personal beliefs amidst political turmoil?

173.063 - 179.413 Franz Jägerstatter

It's becoming an ocean. There are more and more Nazis every day in St. Radegund.

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Well, there has been talk of a war.

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183.04 - 186.505 Franz Jägerstatter

In St. Radegund? Our village isn't even on a map.

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The Germans are recruiting young men as soldiers.

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190.567 - 201.342 Franz Jägerstatter

Soon they'll be drafting us into forced service. Oh, Franz, don't be so dramatic. Mark my words, the Nazi tide will flow through St. Radegund too.

209.553 - 212.457 Fanny Jägerstatter

Franz! Fanny! Welcome home!

212.521 - 215.084 Franz Jägerstatter

Hello, Mother. What are you doing?

215.484 - 215.965 Fanny Jägerstatter

Painting.

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A nursery?

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