Secret Service Agent: How to Read Anyone and Spot Lies | Evy Poumpouras
episodePreviously titled “Former Secret Service Agent Reveals How To Read ANYONE To Know Who You Can Really Trust” — renamed by the publisher on Aug 13, 2026
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What mindset helps you find peace in chaos?
You can't look to other people to support you for you to go do something. If you're saying, you need to give me this so I can do this, they're not the problem. Your thinking is the problem.
She's the secret service agent who's protected presidents. And she looked after the Obamas, Clinton, and Bush.
With a master's in forensic psychology, she worked complex undercover missions. My girl, Evie Pompouros. Ask people questions, drop a question, and go quiet. Let them reveal themselves to you. If you want to know how to read people, and if you want to know to gauge who's trustworthy, who's not, who's reliable, let them show you. But if you're jabbering away, you're not going to see it. The mistake we make is we think there's good and there's evil. Evil people do bad things. Good people do bad things. Good people take advantage. Good people will hurt you.
What's the tell or the question to know if someone is really lying?
Okay, I'll answer this question.
You have really kind of exploded in the last three or four years with your content. And every time you come on my show and the content I see online, it's around human performance, about optimizing yourself. It's also around human psychology and understanding people. It's understanding how to influence people in a positive way. Understanding when someone's trying to manipulate you. All these things that you've learned through your... through your studies, through real world experiences, protecting presidents, through working in Secret Service, all these different things. I'm curious, what is the greatest skill that you've developed in the last four years, five years, since you've really kind of blown up in a bigger way of all the interviews and the content you do on TV?
What is the biggest skill you've developed in the last four or five years for yourself that has continued to help you thrive personally? Because you had tons of skills when you were working in the field, but what about in these last four or five years?
It's hard to say if it's just one thing. I think it's been a few things. One is I let things be. I don't try very hard to analyze or understand. I was listening to your story before about the million dollars, somebody owing it to you. And it's very easy to get in that rabbit hole and all these things come in. And I've learned to kind of, I don't want to say surrender, but just let things be. And instead of not getting stuck in the dwelling thing, I'm like, all right, there's a lesson for me to learn here. That's one thing, like not trying so hard, not chasing things so hard. I've learned that the harder you chase, it's like a frenzy and it doesn't work. And when you kind of step back and you're like, I'm just going to let it happen. I'm not saying don't do the work.
You have to do the work. And I think that's the other thing. You have to put in the work. And I don't, you know what else I don't do? I don't compare myself to other people.
Really? No. How have you learned that? Because that's hard for a lot of people.
The moment I start to do it, I stop. And this is, I've never said this. I'll say this here. I've never watched anybody else's podcast interview ever. Not that I don't like your show. It's a great show. I watch the clips. I watch the clips. So for example, so I've done podcast interviews, right? Your show. I won't sit and watch somebody else's because I don't want it to get into my head because then I start doing, oh, they did this or I should say this or that. And to be frank, I actually learned this in Secret Service training from shooting because when you would shoot, they'd like line you up. And the targets were really close to each other. I mean, safety, like within reason. But everybody could see everybody's target. And it was very easy for your eyes to go to the other person's target. And you start to kind of psych yourself out. Oh, his hole's perfect.
mind sucks and you might think like well what's the big deal it is a big deal because when there's 40 special agents watching everybody else they're like she sucks i'm not going to take her out with me or he's not this or they look like a mess so you start to care so i don't louis as i move up. I'm very careful. And when I look at other people's content, I look and I move on.
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