The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

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Unknown 0:01
You're listening to The Skeptic's Guide to the Universe, your escape to reality.
Dr. Steven Novella 0:10
Hello and welcome to The Skeptic's Guide to the Universe. Today is Monday, May 25th, 2026, and this is your host, Stephen Novella. Joining me this week are Bob Novella. Hey, everybody. Cara Santamaria. Howdy. Jay Novella. Hey, guys. And Evan Bernstein.
Jay Novella 0:24
Happy Monday.
Dr. Steven Novella 0:26
Yeah, rare Monday recording for us.
Jay Novella 0:28
What the hell? Monday? What are we doing here on Monday?
Dr. Steven Novella 0:31
Well, we're going to Wisconsin this weekend. This is the only night we can record early enough to get the show done before the weekend. Correct. Wisconsin. Here we are.
Evan Bernstein 0:39
Oh, we're actually here already, if you're listening. If you're listening to it, yeah.
Unknown 0:44
Time travel. Yeah, so have any of you guys been, specifically, been to Wisconsin before? Nobody's had their cheese. I don't think so.
Cara Santamaria 0:51
I've been only when it was winter, so it was cold.
Evan Bernstein 0:55
Oh gosh, that had to be freezing.
Cara Santamaria 0:57
I've never seen summer in Wisconsin. You know how I remember sometimes where I've been? Is I go to my photo app in my phone and I search for the place. And I see how many pictures I took there. Yep, there's some.
Unknown 1:08
Yeah, I've been to Milwaukee, Chicago, Minneapolis. I've been to Madison. Well, I'm just saying. The region, yeah. In the Midwest. But I've never been on any of the lakes.
Jay Novella 1:21
I've never been on them. I've only flown over them. Yeah, I haven't either. I don't even remember flying over any.
Unknown 1:28
When would you go over one of the lakes?

What are the implications of Wisconsin's geography?

Unknown 1:29
Who travels the lakes?
Jay Novella 1:32
You mean by boat? Yeah, by the boat. Why? Commerce, man. Commerce. We've got to go all the way around Lake Michigan and just cut right across it.
Unknown 1:40
Oh, that's true.
Jay Novella 1:41
Yeah, but if you're sending anything over there, you might as well be a lot cheaper, just pure expense of just shipping instead of trucking it all around.
Cara Santamaria 1:49
Yeah, but aren't there, Bob, I'm looking at the map too, aren't there just like bridges? I don't know. It's pretty far, isn't it?
Evan Bernstein 1:54
Over some very narrow points. No, it's too big for bridges, man. These lakes are enormous.
Cara Santamaria 1:57
Really?
Jay Novella 1:57
It's too big for bridges? The main girth, the main width, sure. But I'm sure there's smaller areas with plenty of bridges.
Cara Santamaria 2:06
The I-10 looks like it goes straight across Lake Michigan. I don't know if it goes over or under.
Dr. Steven Novella 2:10
Do you guys know why there are lakes and not seas? Because they're freshwater. That's one. Because they're inland? Because they're surrounded by land. Well, so can a sea. They're freshwater. They have a natural outflow to the ocean. And one that's not really intuitive. They sit significantly above sea level.
Evan Bernstein 2:31
Oh, okay. Significantly.
Dr. Steven Novella 2:32
Interesting. I thought it was all about size. I guess it isn't. It's not just about size. Jay, it's never just about size.
Cara Santamaria 2:40
So Michigan is kind of like a little, well, it's not really an island. It's like a peninsula.
Evan Bernstein 2:44
Is it not an isthmus?
Cara Santamaria 2:47
It looks like a hand. You ever met somebody from Michigan and they go, where are you from? And they point to their hand. Right. That's like how they know.
Unknown 2:56
There's an island in Lake Michigan and it's called Beaver Island. It's pretty big. A lot of seals live there. I wonder if people live there.
Evan Bernstein 3:05
Probably, because that looks huge. Well, gosh, beavers were one of the main reasons why people settled the area initially, for the beaver trade. For the fur trade. It's a huge beaver trade, yeah. It was enormous. There had to be billions of beavers.
Unknown 3:19
There's an airport on Beaver Island. What? Yeah.
Evan Bernstein 3:22
Beaver International Airport.
Unknown 3:23
And I'm like literally zooming in and I'm like, okay, there's like houses that go, you know, along the coast, but it doesn't seem to be like, it just doesn't seem to be like a lot of people here.
Cara Santamaria 3:34
Wait, is Beaver Island part of Michigan or is it part of Wisconsin?
Evan Bernstein 3:41
Oh, interesting. Probably Michigan. I don't know.
Cara Santamaria 3:44
It's like right in between them.
Evan Bernstein 3:46
I need to zoom in on this map.
Dr. Steven Novella 3:48
I think the state line goes down the middle of Lake Michigan. Yep, it's not.
Bob Novella 3:53
They're not a part of it. Yeah, that's what those lines are. It does? Interesting.
Cara Santamaria 3:57
So Beaver Island is Michigan. Yeah, I see that. Maps. We're not going to Michigan. We're going to Wisconsin.
Jay Novella 4:04
That's right.
Evan Bernstein 4:04
Yes, but Wisconsin is surrounded by the Great Lakes.

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