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The Space Show Presents Dr. Joel Sercel of TransAstra, Sunday, 3-29-26Quick Summary:The Space Show featured an interview with Dr. Joel Sercel, CEO of TransAstra, who discussed his company’s mission to harvest asteroid resources for space industrialization. Dr. Sercel explained TransAstra’s four key technical challenges: detect, capture, move, and process asteroid materials, and described their progress including winning NASA contracts, developing capture bag technology, and operating a global telescope network. The discussion covered business models, revenue generation through government contracts, and plans for the “New Moon” project to establish facilities at the Earth-Moon Lagrange point (RIM). The conversation also touched on orbital debris removal using capture bag technology and the potential for space-based data centers built from harvested asteroid materials.SummaryDr. Joel Sercel joined the Sunday Space Show to discuss TransAstra, where he serves as CEO. Due to internet connectivity issues, David asked Joel to introduce TransAstra’s business model and revenue strategy to the audience.Joel founded TransAstra over 10 years ago to develop space resource harvesting technologies after becoming disillusioned with NASA’s approach to space exploration. He identified four key technical challenges: detection, capture, movement, and processing of asteroid materials, and successfully secured funding through NASA’s NIAC program, becoming their first 7-time fellow with nearly $4 million in grants. The company has since grown through Y Combinator’s incubator program, raising approximately $16 million in total funding and winning about $15-16 million in government contracts over the past 5 years, while developing a network of telescopes for detecting faint moving objects in deep space.Joel provided an update on TransAstra’s progress, explaining they have generated $16 million in revenue over recent years through NASA and other government contracts, with operations spanning multiple telescope sites globally. He detailed their dual-use technology applications, including the Sutter telescope systems for space tracking and a 10-meter capture bag being developed for NASA that could handle asteroid capture or satellite disposal. When asked about competing with lunar and Martian resources, Joel argued that asteroid mining offers advantages due to lower rocket propellant requirements for reaching near-Earth asteroids compared to lunar or Martian missions, particularly for space-based data center construction.Joel discussed the potential for asteroids in highly Earth-like orbits to represent a significant resource in space, comparing the effort required to reach these asteroids to other locations in space. He explained the advantages of using capture bags for both capturing and processing orbital debris and asteroids, highlighting the unique properties of space that enable different materials processing methods compared to terrestrial processes. Joel also addressed how capture bag technology can handle tumbling objects, detailing the process of matching rotation axes and using thrusters for detumbling, which he demonstrated successfully in a previous ISS flight.Joel explained the composition of near-Earth orbital objects, noting that about 1 in 4 to 1 in 5 asteroids are carbonaceous chondritic-type asteroids containing water and carbon, while about 1 in 20 are metal-rich Type M or Type X asteroids. He discussed the potential value of these materials for space industry, including metals, water, and rare earth elements, though noted that nitrogen is in short supply. When asked about construction of facilities, Joel described TransAstra’s New Moon project concept, which involves bringing asteroid material into the Earth-Moon system at the RIN region and building reusable craft to aggregate up to a million tons of material in the 2030s.Joel discussed the concept of the SolarForge, which involves three material processing technologies: optical mining, vapor phase fractional distillation, and quantum spin separation. He explained that the delta V required to reach the rim of Earth’s Hill sphere is less than that needed to reach geostationary orbit, making the rim a favorable location for resource aggregation and data center placement. Joel clarified that while reaching the rim would take about two months in theory, in practice the journey time can be adjusted based on delta V and potential lunar flybys.Joel explained that NASA’s cancellation of the asteroid redirect mission during the Obama administration was primarily due to political, programmatic, and leadership reasons rather than technical issues. He described how the mission’s scope and purpose became unclear after NASA transformed it from a demonstration of high-powered electric propulsion into a multi-center mission with a focus on sending astronauts to asteroids. Joel also discussed the limitations of nuclear power in space compared to solar panels, stating that nuclear reactors are significantly heavier and more expensive, and that new initiatives like NASA’s NEP-powered Mars mission seem impractical given these cost and efficiency concerns. Finally, our guest defined the “rim” as a dynamical region in space beyond cislunar space, extending from near the Moon to about 2 million kilometers, which TransAstra considers strategically important but details about which remain classified.Joel discussed asteroid capture and processing, addressing questions about potential threats and debris management. He explained that while asteroids near Earth could pose collision threats, processing them could provide valuable materials like radiation shielding. Joel confirmed they are developing capture bags for smaller orbital debris, noting this would not be a complete solution but could significantly reduce debris by targeting the 50 most problematic objects. When asked about costs, Joel provided context on satellite manufacturing costs, explaining that while traditional satellites can cost over $1 million per kilogram, newer commercial models like Starlink are produced at costs comparable to cars, around $1,000 per kilogram. Regarding launch costs to the RIM, Joel estimated a Falcon 9 expendable launch at approximately $100 million, emphasizing that any space factory would need to weigh no more than 2% of its annual output to be cost-effective.Joel talked about TransAstra’s plans for asteroid mining, including using Falcon 9 rockets to transport materials and potentially extracting resources from entire asteroids rather than leaving them in orbit. He outlined a vision for humanity’s expansion into space, explaining how asteroid materials could be used for radiation shielding and eventually help build habitable worlds with thousands of times the land area of Earth. 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