The Startup Ideas Podcast
I Ranked Every Vibe Coding App (Cursor vs Claude Code vs Lovable)
03 Nov 2025
Chapter 1: What are the top vibe coding apps ranked in 2025?
mickey by the end of this episode what are we going to learn we're going to know what's the best what's the worst what to use what not to use and this is just our non-professional professional opinion okay so this is the definitive guide to vibe coding apps right yes this is the ultimate tier list and if this offends you i apologize in advance
Chapter 2: How does Windsurf compare to other vibe coding tools?
Okay, any disclosures? Are you involved in any of these companies?
Chapter 3: What makes Cursor a top choice for developers?
Way to the end.
I'm actually, no, I'm not an investor in any. I do have a bias, but I'll explain later the bias as we go on.
Chapter 4: How do Lovable, v0, and Bolt serve non-technical builders?
Sounds good. I invested in Bolt in the last round. Actually, funny story. I had the opportunity to invest in Lovable.
Chapter 5: What opportunities exist in mobile vibe coding platforms?
We both did. Yeah, but they hit me at a time where I was like, I never had done. I still haven't, but I was like, I don't know what this is. Vive coding. And then, yeah, they raised what? Some hundred billion at a $6 billion, $2 billion valuation.
Chapter 6: How does Claude Code stand out among coding apps?
Crazy.
Yeah.
Chapter 7: What insights can be gained from using Replit?
Yeah, you win some, you lose some. All right, so let's get into it. Okay, so... Lovable, V0, Bolt, Cloud Code, Cursor, Codex, Windsurf, Vibe Code, Rourke.
Chapter 8: What advice do experts have for aspiring vibe coders?
Let's just hit right off the hip. What's D tier? I mean... I see you touching Windsurf. Okay, so I don't think Windsurf is D tier in terms of like tech, but with what happened with the team and like the founder sort of dipping and then Devin came, scooped them up. It's one of those where like, I'm sure the tech's good, but like, is there any trust anymore?
And I know two guys who work at Windsurf, awesome dudes, but I probably would never use Windsurf ever again. And respectfully, in the kindest of fashion, I would put it D tier. By the way, all these tools are amazing. Yeah, they're great. They do, you know, like, again, this is our non-professional professional opinion, right?
I just personally wouldn't use Windsurf simply for the fact that, like, again, you know, you're sort of trusting the team behind said tool you're building with, right? And when, I mean, you're a founder, like... imagine just upping and leaving like the type of confidence that instills with your users, investors, and all that type of stuff. So yeah, I would respectfully put windsurf at D tier.
It's also very technical, right? Yes. Yes. So, and that's one thing too, right? We have this chart here and, And I would put windsurf at a very technical, like you would have to be a technical person to get the best out of it. Now you have people who like Riley and others who are, you know, using these technical tools.
But if you speak to the team at windsurf or even cursor, they'll tell you, yeah, we're building for developers, right? Their focus is developers. I actually spoke to someone who works at cursor and they, I told him like, you know, a lot of like non-technical people are using your tool. So is that like changing how you guys build? And like, is that like sort of, you know, affecting your decisions?
And he straight up was like, no, he's like, we're building for developers. He's like, it's cool to see non-developers use it, but the main demographic is developers. And from a team perspective and a business perspective, it makes sense, right? So you could do it, but I just want to use Windsurf. So I put it D tier.
Okay, so you're putting a D tier just because of the sort of how it played out.
Yeah, like realistically, I would maybe, it would be between an A and a B for me. Right. Because I used to, I used Winster for a bit. It was pretty cool. And if based on how it was back then, if I were to rate it, it'd be between an A and a B. Okay. So, but with all the business stuff, putting it. Yeah, I'm putting it in a D just because it's pretty complicated.
Okay. Yeah. Well, then let's talk about another complicated tool, Cursor. Okay. I mean, to me, okay, I'll do this one. To me, I'm going to give it, it's either A tier or S tier for me.
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