In this podcast, Patrick speaks to his long time friend, fellow environmentalist and campaigner Jonathon Porritt, Co-Founder of Forum for the Future, and former Director of Friends of the Earth. The conversation touches on differences in opinion between conservation organisations and farming groups, and the ways in which this may have led to a separation of policy and public understanding of the relationship between food production and nature. Jonathon highlights the need to link climate change action and renewable energy - "If we really wanted to treat the climate as the emergency that it is, we could have 100% of the electricity that the entire world needs coming from renewable energy by 2030" says Jonathon. On food and farming change, Jonathon explains why "addressing food waste and massive reductions in the amount of intensively reared, factory farmed meat" are vital in maintaining a habitable planet for future generations.

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