S2E38: PREVIEW: Ask Me Anything with Dr. Christopher Kerr

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What is the purpose of this backstage AMA preview with Dr. Christopher Kerr?

Ky Dickens 0:00
Hey everyone, it's Kai, and I'm so happy to share this very special backstage AMA with you. After our episode with Dr. Christopher Kerr, we received so many thoughtful and deeply personal questions from listeners about death, dying, hospice, end-of-life visions, and what it means to be present with someone we love as they transition. Dr. Kerr's work has moved so many of us because he brings such dignity, humanity, and scientific care to a subject our culture often avoids. As a hospice physician and researcher, he spent decades sitting at the bedside of people at the end of life, listening closely to what they experience, their dreams and visions, fears, and maybe most importantly, moments of healing that can arise as the body begins to fail.
Ky Dickens 0:45
In this conversation, our producer, Selena, sits down with Dr. Kerr to ask your questions.

Which listener questions prompted this special conversation about death and dying?

Ky Dickens 0:52
Here's a clip from that episode.
Selena (Producer) 0:55
Welcome, Dr. Christopher Kerr. Thanks so much for taking the time today. And did you get a chance to look over some of these questions?
Dr. Christopher Kerr 1:01
Yes, I did. They're incredible.
Selena (Producer) 1:03
Yeah, some really interesting ones. Well, let's just get right into it then. So the first question says, Dear Dr. Kerr, thank you for the fantastic episode. I'm curious about how often you've encountered cases where someone who is not dying, like a family member, caregiver, A clinician sitting in the room also sees or senses what the dying person is seeing. A friend recently described experiencing this when her father passed away, and I'm curious if you've seen such things. If you have, how do you understand them?
Dr. Christopher Kerr 1:31
You know, I certainly hear about it after the fact. And there's a gentleman in California who, it's called the Shared Crossings Project, and really gathered a lot of data around this and people describing that. Certainly, you hear cases all the time. People see orbs and all of that. But we've had a couple of unusual experiences. One I'll absolutely never forget. Actually, two, and they both involve children. And it was a family... where there were several women, their sisters, who had had miscarriages. And it's not uncommon for women who have lost children to see their children. And that was true of this patient. And in the room were her sisters.

Who is Dr. Christopher Kerr and what informs his perspective on end-of-life care?

Dr. Christopher Kerr 2:15
And one of the little granddaughters came in and pointed and said, look at all the babies. That's one case that I'll never forget. What was the other story? Yeah, it's kind of a shared experience. It's something that will haunt me for the rest of my life. It was a remarkable woman who I was very fond of. Very creative, very artistic. She was also a musician. And she was very fond of a piano teacher she had when she was a child. So every day you'd go around on her and she was having dreams from her childhood when her teacher was off and they're playing music, et cetera. And I'll never forget on the middle of the week, she starts having dreams about a car accident. but she didn't understand them. Why am I having dreams about a car accident?
Dr. Christopher Kerr 3:01
And I left her on a Friday and I knew she was gonna pass over the weekend. And I came in on a Saturday morning, I happened to run into the nurse and I said, did she pass? And she said, yeah, but did you hear what happened? I said, no. She said her son was driving there that morning and had a fatal car accident. So she had been dreaming of a car accident that somebody dies in. And she can't understand it. And this was like kind of on the Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. And then she dies midday on the Saturday and her son died that morning in a car accident. You know, don't know what to say. In that category of the unexplained, that's one that I'll always, I'll never quite understand.
Selena (Producer) 3:49
Does it change your relationship to death? Obviously, it's a tragedy, a son dying. But given your experience working day in and day out with this, do you have a different approach to it now than you did maybe before?
Dr. Christopher Kerr 4:02
Day and night. And more so the older I get, I think, the longer I've done this. But yeah, I always say I just think there's a better story than the one we imagine and fear.

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