Seeing animals when we travel is high on many people's must-do lists - but are we doing it responsibly? Responsible animal tourism is one of those areas I'm constantly learning more about: for example, I still remember the moment, perhaps six or seven years ago, when I first learnt about why we shouldn't ride elephants (and if you're not sure, listen on!). Animal tourism is definitely an area where as we learn more about it, we can do better, so I'm hoping this episode is as enlightening for you as it was for me to make it. First up, I chat with Julia Salnicki, a zoologist who has spent many years living in Zimbabwe and Botswana doing research on painted dogs, spotted hyaenas and elephants. We talk about lion cubs, elephants and gorillas - some good and some bad stories! Next, I talk to Ben Pearson of World Animal Protection, first asking him about a pet hate of mine - quokka selfies - and then asking him for some more guidelines on how we can be responsible travellers in relation to animals. Finally, I speak with Louise Southerden about the specific case of riding with camels - as that seemed quite a grey area for me. Links: Julia Salnicki from Classic Safari Company - https://www.classicsafaricompany.com.au Ben Pearson from World Animal Protection - https://www.worldanimalprotection.org.au Louise Southerden - No Impact Girl - http://www.noimpactgirl.com Lou’s piece on camel riding at World Nomads - https://www.worldnomads.com/responsible-travel/make-a-difference/participation/camel-riding Join our Facebook group for Thoughtful Travellers - https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtfultravellers Show notes: https://notaballerina.com/199 Support the show: https://thoughtfultravel.substack.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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