On Episode 122 of The TLB Podcast, James speaks with visual artist and former CIA analyst Jessica Elder to explore her journey out of the intelligence community into art, the CIA’s internal culture, the creative potentials of 3D printing, reclaiming identity through creativity, and how secrets shape self-expression.Support the Show:Early access on Patreon → https://tinyurl.com/mva2z9se Audio-only on Spotify → https://tinyurl.com/ytfnwx6sConnect with Jessica Elder:Website → https://www.jessicaelderart.comInstagram → https://www.instagram.com/jesselder.artTikTok → https://www.tiktok.com/@jessica.et.ceteraChapters:00:00 - Intro06:03 - Bureaucratic Culture12:40 - The Overt vs. Covert Roles14:45 - Unclassified Facts22:05 - Internal Humor31:35 - Spicy Memes39:13 - Transitioning to Art48:36 - Art and Money Laundering55:51 - Navigating the Art World57:18 - Art Installations in Government Spaces01:04:40 - Pursuing Your Passion vs. Stability01:19:06 - Creating Art for the CIA#artandintelligence #CIAinternals #3Dprinting #creativeidentity #thetlbpodSupport the showPatreon Tiktok Instagram YouTube

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