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Chapter 1: What are the allegations against Diddy?
The following episode explores a number of allegations regarding the artist Diddy. He denies all charges and has pled not guilty to sex trafficking, racketeering and transportation to engage in prostitution.
The biggest secret in the entertainment industry that really wasn't a secret at all has finally been revealed to the world.
At the height of his career, Sean Diddy Combs had it all. It seemed like everything Diddy touched turned to gold. Now the once untouchable hip-hop mogul is fighting for his life as he faces multiple federal charges in New York, including sex trafficking and allegedly running a criminal enterprise.
Music mogul and rapper Sean Diddy Combs has faced four different lawsuits in recent weeks alleging sexual assault. Combs can be seen grabbing Ventura and throwing her to the ground.
Oh, this guy is dangerous. Another woman has now come forward alleging Combs of sexual assault. She claims she was drugged and sexually assaulted by Combs.
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Hey, I'm Marjorie Hernandez, DailyMail.com's West Coast news editor, and welcome to episode 34 of The Trial of Diddy. At the time of this recording, jury selection starts in just 12 days. It's hard to imagine what's happening on both sides of this case right now. So it's a special episode today as we're devoting the show to someone who will know all about it.
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Chapter 2: Who is Rochelle Keyhan and what does she do?
She's an expert in advocacy for vulnerable populations and gender-based violence issues, including domestic violence, sexual violence, and human trafficking. Rochelle has prosecuted 20 felony jury trials, more than 100 rape, human trafficking, and domestic violence felony bench trials, and over 10,000 domestic violence misdemeanor hearings.
But before we speak to her, it's important to state, as we do every week, that Diddy has vehemently denied each and every allegation made in all recent lawsuits filed against him, and he's also denied all the federal charges to have been filed against him. Like everyone else in the legal system, he remains innocent until such time as he is proven guilty.
And with that being said, here we are with Rochelle Keehan. Thank you so much for appearing on the pod, Rochelle.
Thanks for having me.
Can you tell us a little bit more about your background and the collective liberty?
Absolutely. So I was a prosecutor in Philadelphia for six years where I did domestic violence, sex assault, and human trafficking cases. I tried the first two trafficking trials in the state of Pennsylvania. So I learned through how tough all of that can be. And now I run Collective Liberty.
We're a national anti-trafficking nonprofit organization that's really focused on identifying trafficking networks and evidence around them to support more prosecutions of traffickers in the U.S.,
And it's definitely a problem worldwide. The good work that you're doing out there is just highlighting that. But in connection with the Diddy case, however, obviously he is facing trafficking charges as well in this federal case out in New York. Just to give our listeners a little update on the case itself. So Diddy appeared in court last Friday, April 18th.
And there was a lot of pretrial motions that was discussed. I'm sure Rochelle can go over that with us. One of the things that happened is the judge did allow three alleged victims to testify under their pseudonyms and not their true legal names, but Cassie Ventura, who's Diddy's ex, plans to testify under her name.
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Chapter 3: What is the significance of the video evidence in the Diddy case?
Chapter 4: How could prior bad acts affect Diddy's trial?
Yeah, if something changes, absolutely. So defense could just make the wrong argument and prosecution is just waiting for it to be like, okay, Your Honor, we have to argue motions.
One of the interesting things I also saw that a minor might be a possible witness. And we haven't seen an actual, again, charge involving a minor in the allegations against Diddy. However, how does that play in the case?
Absolutely. I think that's probably partially why the judge was weighing things, right? Because it's always more inflammatory when these types of abuse happens to a minor. Personally, for me, I feel like it's inflammatory regardless of age, but I definitely know having tried juries, the horror... is higher the younger the victim is. It's absolutely something that the defense needs to be weary of.
I think also it makes me wonder why prosecution didn't charge sexual assault, because then all of these probably would have come in as other acts, or they could have charged it, because then it would be directly relevant to his history of coercive sex. And that minor would have made potentially a big difference.
So I wonder if part of it's also just strategy on prosecution where they want to be able to focus on a specific type of behavior and not have to have a whole separate trial on something different. Because if they were arguing sexual assault separately and having that minor as part of the main case, it might distract from or confuse the
what they're arguing on trafficking and RICO, which are really already pretty complex concepts to communicate to a lay jury.
Now Diddy has claimed his innocence. He said he's not guilty. And he says that these were all consensual threesomes and these alleged freak offs. But you know, in a case like this, it does come down to he said, she said, and I was wondering how how do you prep your witnesses as a prosecutor in such a case like this? And in this case, it's a huge case against a celebrity.
I don't know that you really can prep a victim for what what they're going to experience. It's it's kind of impossible because not only are they having to get up there and relive it in front of people and then be like torn apart by someone in front of a bunch of strangers, it's in front of the guy that did it, right? So you can only prep them as much as possible.
I think one interesting thing is if any of them are at the point where it would be healing to say it all out loud and they're at the healing stage where they know it's not their shame, it's his, which I'm feeling like might be where Cassie is coming from. Cause she was like, no, I'm going to say it by my name.
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Chapter 5: What challenges do witnesses face in high-profile cases?
Chapter 6: How does the legal system approach cases involving minors?
Yeah, definitely. So I like to describe human trafficking as like really extreme domestic violence with sexual assault. You know, it's got so much coercive control that's present in domestic violence. So evidence of domestic violence is relevant to sex trafficking cases. And his main argument is she loved it and she's consenting to all of this. So
that video directly contradicts any sort of real defense he could have. And I think it also makes them seem a little monstrous. Like the jury is going to be like, oh, because his defense attorney argued it's an unfortunate domestic dispute. So in their mind, that's just normal in a domestic dispute. And it calls to question for any moral jury to be like,
oh, you're not saying you didn't do any of those things. You just think they're normal and okay. You know, it's going to just really reframe it for them because that was extreme violence in that video. It wasn't like a yelling match or a slap. So I do think the video is really compelling evidence. And if it got excluded, I do think it would like seriously impact the case.
But we don't know what other evidence they have also. That's just the piece that went viral. So there's potentially abundant other similar pieces.
Right. And obviously Diddy's attorneys is trying to keep that Cassie video out of the trial and also other videos as well. So we shall see what actually ends up in front of the jury. And speaking about, you know, consent, the other uncharged victims said, The fact that they also allegedly went through this with him, but there's no sexual assault or even arrest of Diddy for all these years.
How do you think that will play out in court when they finally have a chance to testify, even though they're not named as victims on the complaint?
So I really do hope they get the chance to testify because I think it seems that at this point, if they're ready to come forward, they've had a lot of healing and they're able. And I think if they're not... could impact them emotionally and personally if their story doesn't get to be part of the consequences that he experiences.
But most probably, if there is a conviction, prosecution will allow them at least at sentencing to testify, and there's not really a limit on how many victims can come forward. So if there's a conviction, they should get a chance then. But I think that it also kind of highlights how when prosecution isn't taken seriously on gender-based violence, this is what happens.
Finally, there's some sort of reckoning happening for P. Diddy, but most of his victims never got a chance the last 20-something years, and they're still not getting a chance now because we never took it seriously back then. Charged their case and allowed them to have that paper trail that made it justifiable to now argue statute of limitations has passed there's so many limitations now and
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Chapter 7: What strategies do prosecutors use in sexual assault cases?
So that is one area of the injustice that some of these victims aren't going to have their voice heard, even though they're ready to, because the system this whole time just hasn't supported them.
There's so much more coming up. But for now, let's pause for a break.
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Chapter 8: How does Diddy's defense claim affect public perception?
Welcome back to The Trial of Diddy. We're still here with Rochelle Keehan. Now, we obviously were talking about Diddy, who's in trial in his criminal case in New York, but other sources that I've spoken to said he didn't do this alone, this was an enterprise, and that this is why he got away with it, allegedly, for so long.
Can you talk about the potential of other charges this could bring about to other folks who are around this circle?
I'm actually surprised there haven't been any yet. And I'm wondering if part of it is that they're witnesses and we'll see those outcomes after the trial. And the charges are dependent on whether they decide to flip for Diddy or not, because it doesn't quite make sense that Rico's charged and he's the only defendant. And I think that that's one also huge gap over the last 25 years that...
We don't pursue these cases from an organized crime perspective. And so they become a he said, she said case when it's not that, right? And so when I looked at the motions, the evidence that prosecution's intending to present appears that they've handled this really well. They have investigated the full organized crime. They have the financial records.
And so they should have the other co-conspirators involved. So here's hoping that after this trial, we'll see who else is being held accountable and that they actually do get held accountable because there's also the potential, right? Like, oh, you testified. We got the big fish so you can have a year of probation.
It's like, what's their disincentive from behaving like this again if that's the only consequence? So there should be other charges coming, hopefully, and with hopefully real consequences.
Wow. So you're thinking that there could be other, since they went for the big fish, Diddy himself, that there could be potential, I guess, arrests in the future once it all plays out in court.
Yeah, because Rico requires like more than one guy, you know? So, I mean, not necessarily to be charged, but by its nature, it means they've found some others.
Right. Diddy is facing dozens of civil lawsuits right now. I wonder if that will play also into what happens in criminal court and vice versa.
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