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The Truth

Let's Not and Say We Did

04 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What challenges does Jeff face in his open marriage?

0.031 - 3.896 Jonathan Mitchell

This episode of The Truth includes strong language in adult situations.

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6.72 - 7.261 Dennis Pacheco

The Truth.

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So, yeah, this is me.

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Cool, yeah. Nice building.

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Yeah. Looks even nicer inside.

17.015 - 22.743 Dennis Pacheco

Oh, yeah. Oh, you mean... Yeah. So you want... yeah.

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Okay.

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Is your husband on?

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He's on his own date tonight.

Chapter 2: How do Jeff and his date discuss their relationships?

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Yeah. Okay, then. Onwards and upwards. Okay.

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64.804 - 69.771 Dennis Pacheco

Shit. Why? I can't.

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No? No?

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70.94 - 78.711 Dennis Pacheco

It's not you. I'm sorry. I've had a great time. I just... I wasted... I'm sorry I wasted your time. I'll just... Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. I'm really sorry.

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Here's the thing. I have had plenty of dates go sideways, but I don't think I've ever had anyone look, um, stricken at the thought of having sex with me.

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That's not why I'm stricken.

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Are you in crisis?

93.35 - 126.09 Dennis Pacheco

No, nothing like that. Okay. I, um... Do you need me to call anyone, or...? Uh, no, no, um, no. there is one thing you could do okay yeah um so i don't want to have sex with you got that but could i say i did whoa wait run that by me again i i don't want to have sex with you yeah but i i do i have your permission to tell my wife that i had sex with you tonight

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Well, shit. Congratulations, Jeff. Well, I mean, I thought you were just cute, but it turns out you're interesting. You want to go somewhere and talk?

Chapter 3: What is ethical non-monogamy and how did Jeff and Ingrid get into it?

163.319 - 185.938 Jonathan Mitchell

I'm Jonathan Mitchell. And this is a story about trying so hard to avoid something that you run straight into it. Every episode of The Truth is a collaboration between a writer, actors, and me. And the writer creates the story, the actors bring it to life, and I handle everything else. The organizing, the directing, the editing, the music, the sound design, the artwork, the marketing.

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And we've chosen to pay the writers and actors first. I only get paid if there's money left over. So, if you'd like to support The Truth, we've created an ad-free premium feed. You'll get every episode without ads, plus all of the behind-the-scenes interviews we've been making this year. You can subscribe at thetruthpodcast.supportingcast.fm or just click the link in the show notes.

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Your subscription directly helps us pay our writers, pay our actors, and make more stories. Again, that's thetruthpodcast.supportingcast.fm. And now back to Let's Knot and Say We Did.

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Have you had the Cobb salad here?

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No, because I'm not a fad. Get the pancakes.

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Okay.

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I want to know every poor life choice that led to the favor you asked me for tonight.

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How far back do you want me to go?

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I don't know. Maybe start with how you and your wife... What's her name?

Chapter 4: What unique strategies do Jeff and his date explore?

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I don't know what that means.

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And it just kept getting worse until one night we were. Can I guess? I mean, it's pretty specific.

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You hung out with friends who told you they'd opened their marriage.

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Yes, that's exactly what happened. How? Yeah. Dave and Shauna.

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Dave and Shauna hanging off each other like teenagers, telling you how they cracked the code to life.

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We barely made it back to the car before we lost them.

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Oh my god, did you know that was coming? No, I had no idea. What did they call it that was like that ridiculous acronym?

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Uh, E-N-M, Ethical Non-Monogamy.

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E-N-M, right. Yes, it's like they joined a cult. Like, have you heard the good news? But like for sex with randos.

Chapter 5: How does Jeff feel about his wife's dating experiences?

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Oh, thank God.

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Can we talk?

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We did it just like they tell you online, right? Four months of immunizations, discussions, sessions with an E&M therapist.

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You know that nobody checks if you did the four months, right?

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And we even launched our profiles together. I'm kind of nervous. If we hate it, we'll stop. Right? And... Profile Live.

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Profile Live. So wait, is tonight your first time out?

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Third. Third, actually.

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Ooh. Yeah. Oh, wow.

423.74 - 426.424 Dennis Pacheco

So the other two of you, you also... Yeah, I also tank them.

Chapter 6: What insights do Jeff and his date share about relationships?

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Permission granted. Thank you.

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505.462 - 508.145 Dennis Pacheco

Thank you. I really appreciate it.

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How are you going to tell her? What are you going to say?

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I don't know. Okay, well, I guess we went to dinner. We went back to your place.

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Okay, what does my place look like?

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What does your place look like? Yeah. Why don't you tell me?

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No, no, no, not my real place. The place in your story. It's two different things.

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Yeah. Well, sure, yeah, okay. Maybe... Maybe you have one of those lava lamps?

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No one over 20 has a lava lamp.

Chapter 7: How does Jeff navigate his feelings towards his wife's other partners?

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Well, hey, I'm on his side.

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Now, remember, one of the characters in this story is you. You need to sound like you.

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Okay. I don't like the way you said that.

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Okay. Well, no, but I mean, like, maybe you're filibustering sex and you just keep babbling, like how you did with me.

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So now I'm babbling, trying to remember anything I know about houseplants.

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Oh, my gosh. I want to hurt my eyes. I wasn't even there.

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And Leslie takes my hand, both of hers, and she says, Jeff, relax.

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This doesn't have to be special.

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that kind of broke the ice you know made it feel like we could kiss and everything sort of flowed from there okay well i'm not gonna ask a ton i'm like not sure how much i want to know at this point but how did you like it i should say it was great right or should i say it was bad neither remember ingrid already knows what it's like I mean, I liked it. It was sex, but sort of detached.

Chapter 8: What does Jeff ultimately decide about his relationships?

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Take what from here?

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You know, like if I need to come up with another... Invent more dates with fake Leslie?

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Yeah, right. I mean, I have the tools now.

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Or a second woman.

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You think I need a second woman?

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Well, I mean, like, how many men is she seeing?

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Like three over the past six months or so.

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Oh, so you need at least two.

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