Ana Kasparian: Epstein Cover-Up, Israel Strikes Gaza Church, & the Great American Political Shift

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Why do Americans care so much about the Jeffrey Epstein case?

Tucker Carlson 0:00
So normally when I do an unconventional interview with like Putin or the president of Iran, people get mad and they ask, you know, why are you talking to him? This is one of those very rare, maybe unique circumstances where people are going to ask you, why
Ana Kasparian 0:15
are you talking to him? Yeah, yeah.
Tucker Carlson 0:17
And people are going to get mad.
Ana Kasparian 0:18
People are going to get very angry, I know. And your producers had been reaching out, trying to get me to talk to you for at least a year and a half. And my feelings toward coming on your show went from, I would never in a million years. to kind of giving myself the opportunity to listen to your podcast, to figure out who you really are. Because, of course, I had very strong thoughts about who you are. Really? Yeah, but I realized that it was based on clips that I would watch of you that had gone viral. And they had gone viral because they were offensive or you had said something that was...
Tucker Carlson 0:57
Viral like syphilis is viral.
Ana Kasparian 0:59
Yeah. I mean, pretty much. I mean, you should think of it that way because it was mostly painting you in a very negative light.
Ana Kasparian 1:25
And to be sure, you and I have some pretty deep disagreements, but I think that some of what you've been talking about lately hits at the heart of what I care most about, and that's the importance of this country representing the American people, the importance of the United States being a sovereign country that has politicians and a government that prioritizes the American people as opposed to a foreign government. And speaking out the way you've been speaking out about some of these issues takes a lot of courage because it goes against the grain and it goes against, I mean, decades of propaganda and conditioning in American media. And so to me, that... commonality that you and I share made me a lot more open-minded to coming on this show because I do think that Americans from across the political spectrum need to find areas of agreement, especially as it pertains to making this country better and
Ana Kasparian 2:33
So we can apply appropriate pressure on our politicians and get them to represent us, regardless of the corruption, regardless of the influence of foreign governments. At the end of the day, these politicians are nothing if it weren't for the American people, right? So like right now, what's really interesting is in Congress, it appears that there's this bipartisan effort to force a vote to release the Epstein files.
Yes.
Ana Kasparian 3:02
And the only reason why that's happening is because there's a very loud and aggressive portion of the MAGA base that's demanding it, and they're not letting it go. And I commend them because I agree with them. I think we need transparency. We need to know whether or not we literally have members in our government or influential people in the periphery of our government. We're pedophiles. I want to know.
Tucker Carlson 3:27
I think that's fair.
Ana Kasparian 3:28
Yeah.
Tucker Carlson 3:28
It's interesting, the framework that you laid out, the government of any country ought to be sovereign, which is to say it should make most of its big decisions on the basis of what's good for the people that it represents. And it's bad when foreign countries control your country. Those are not, those don't strike me as hateful statements at all. Those aren't expressions of animus against anybody, are they?
Ana Kasparian 3:54
I don't think they're hateful statements at all. I'm an American. I love this country. I love the people in this country. And I don't want to live in this ridiculous perversion of the American government where they pretend to represent us, but in reality... Americans are on the back burner. Our tax dollars are being taken from us not to help Americans who need help, but to give all sorts of subsidies to private industries that are already doing really well. Okay, they don't need extra subsidies or tax cuts or things like that. But in addition to that, All the foreign aid that we're pumping into the Middle East, Israel, right? Oftentimes when we talk about foreign aid that goes to Israel, at this point, I believe it's about, what, $4 billion a year?
Ana Kasparian 4:40
On top of all of the military aid that we've been pumping into Israel over the last two years.

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