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The Tucker Carlson Show

Megyn Kelly on Venezuela, Ben Shapiro’s Treachery, and Mark Levin’s Mental Illness

08 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: What recent events have occurred in Venezuela?

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What happened a few days ago in Venezuela is not just a big surprise to people who are watching it. It's not just a kind of exciting foreign policy story. It is the effectively announcement by the U.S. government that our system is changing, that we are now explicitly an empire. We're an empire. So, of course, the argument has been made, and probably there's some truth to it.

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The United States has been an empire for a long time, for at least the last 80 years. Since 1945, when we emerged victorious from World War II, or maybe even 1918, when the British Empire effectively ended. Maybe even 1898, when we got Puerto Rico, and then a few years later, Cuba from the Spanish Empire.

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So you could argue that the United States, like all big prosperous countries, inevitably became an empire. But the difference between the last 120 years and earlier this week is that we never before admitted it, and now we are. So every time we've gone into foreign countries in Latin America, but not just Latin America, really around the world,

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There has been a pretext for that, usually about human rights or democracy. We're not going to put up with this or that government treating its people this way. And we have to go in to stop the tyranny because we are a force for openness and freedom.

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Chapter 2: How has the U.S. government changed its stance on foreign policy?

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And there's been some truth in that, of course. But behind that has been the calculation behind every big foreign policy move made by every big country. How is this good for us? Whether it's propping up the dollar or getting access to resources, there's always another reason that we're doing it. And people who are paying close attention know that.

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Of course, one of the reasons that American troops have been clustered around the Middle East for as long as they have been is not just the Israeli lobby. It's because there's an awful lot of energy in the Middle East, oil and gas. And that's important. to our country. So, of course, we have a stake in making sure it can be extracted and moved around the world, obviously.

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But what makes what happened in Venezuela, taking the head of state out of the presidential palace with Delta Force and bringing him to New York and putting him on trial, what makes that so very different from, say, I don't know, pick one, killing Mossadegh in 1953 in Iran or whatever, is that the U.S.

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government, the president of the United States, basically just said, we're doing this because of the resources. Venezuela has the largest proven oil reserve in the world. It's in our hemisphere. It's going to China.

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Chapter 3: What implications does the U.S. empire status have for foreign interventions?

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And how about no? This is our hemisphere. It's going to go to us. He just said it out loud. And there's something kind of thrilling about that. There's something thrilling about the honesty there. There's no fakery. No, we're the U.S. We're not going to put up with that. This is our interest and we're going to protect it. That's what the president said.

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And for the first time in a long time, there was pretty strong support from the right, from Trump voters for foreign policy adventurism. Keep in mind, a lot of them voted for the president on the basis of his pledge to not start new wars. Well, here is effectively a new conflict and they're supporting it. Why?

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Chapter 4: Why is there support for military action among Trump voters?

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Because the president justified it in terms of our national interest. This is good for us. We're not upholding international law. We're doing it because we want the oil. And again, there's something bracing and refreshing about someone finally telling the truth about why we're doing what we're doing. And the president absolutely told the truth. And that's great.

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And you saw an uptick in national pride. Understandably, the U.S. military is actually capable of more than DEI. We can do complicated things. And that is something to be proud of. The U.S. government is finally acting in the interest of the United States or says it is. And that's a massive improvement over yet another lecture about a hollow theory.

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Chapter 5: What are the potential pitfalls of U.S. imperialism?

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But there are pitfalls potentially, and it's worth also considering those because this is a new era. As has been noted, the United States has moved into the imperial phase of empire. leaving the republic, shifting to empire. And that's a pretty familiar life cycle for civilizations. And so we sort of roughly know what will happen.

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The first thing that's going to happen is that the energy and the power will vest in the executive and not the legislative branch. Congress will inevitably wither. It already is. They were not consulted before we took out the president of Venezuela. They had no role in this whatsoever. They have a constitutional authority here that was ignored, as it has been many times in the past.

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When was the last time Congress did something of note? It's been a long time. And that, if you take three steps back, is probably not surprising. That's the way these things go.

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Chapter 6: How does the current political climate affect Congress's power?

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The power moves to the executive, to Caesar or the president or whatever you call him, to the national leader. And that trend will accelerate over time for certain, not decelerate. And that has all kinds of implications. One of which is national elections are now everything. It's always mattered who the president is.

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Now it matters more than ever because the president has the ability to act unilaterally in the way we just saw. And that's a lesson that every aspiring president will internalize. And so the next presidential election, 2028, means much more than any presidential election in our history because the power has expanded so dramatically in the office. And once expanded, it never contracts voluntarily.

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So that's the first implication. The second implication is that now that we're telling the truth about why nations do what they do, a lot of the arguments that we have relied upon, in fact, that have been the basis of a lot of our foreign policy positions are now moot.

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So once you say out loud, we're grabbing Venezuela because we're annoyed they're selling what is our oil to the Chinese, our rival. Once you just say that out loud, and again, it's good to be honest. But once you are honest, it's kind of hard to make the case that, well, for example, Russia doesn't have an interest in what happens in eastern Ukraine.

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Chapter 7: What are the consequences of America's foreign policy decisions?

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It's hard to scold Putin for moving into Ukraine. Here's a great power threatened on its border, and it takes action to protect itself. And we've been calling that an unprovoked invasion. The Biden administration called it that. The State Department still calls it that. And our policy is based on the idea that this is illegitimate.

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And that's why we've been waging a proxy war against Russia for four years. You can't really make that argument anymore. How is it wrong for a great power like Russia to protect itself? Well, under the rules that we're now operating under, it's not wrong. You can say, I don't prefer it, but you can't point to some abstract principle and say it's absolutely wrong.

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Why would it be wrong for China to retake Taiwan? The U.S. government already acknowledges that Taiwan is part of China. We have a so-called one China policy.

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Chapter 8: How does this discussion reflect on the future of U.S.-Israel relations?

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And yet simultaneously, we suggest we would defend Taiwan against Chinese aggression. But wait a second. Taiwan is Han Chinese. Same people, same language. Tons of cultural similarities. We want the microchips in Taiwan. We hope it doesn't happen because it would give China greater leverage over the United States.

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But as a matter of principle, can you really say it's wrong for China to reunify with Taiwan? No, you can't say that anymore. All you can say is we will try to prevent it if we can, but we can't appeal to any higher authority. Now, some will say that higher authority was made up. Well, it certainly was made up. But that principle was the basis of the entire fabled post-war order.

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What was the post-war order? It was based on one idea. It is wrong for bigger countries to swallow up smaller countries just because they want to. That's why we declared war against Germany when they went into Poland. Weirdly, we did not declare war against the Soviet Union when they did the same thing the same day. But whatever.

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The point is, big countries are not allowed to act in a predatory way towards smaller countries because that's wrong. And there's always been, as noted, tons of fakery around that. Of course, tons of pretending and pretense. We're all wearing a veil to hide our true motives. But that has still been the basis of the way countries deal with each other.

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And that is no longer the case as of this week, because the world's great superpower, oldest superpower, the United States, just acted purely in its own interest and said so out loud. So where does that leave all these international bodies? The U.N., most famously, but all of them, the World Health Organization. How about NATO? Do they have any authority at all?

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Is there a reason to have them once we stop pretending? Probably not. They may not know that yet. And of course, they're all very well funded and will live on into the future to some extent. But basically, they're dead men walking. They're over. That's all over.

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We now live in a world where countries will act in their own interest without apology to the extent they are capable of doing so through force or guile. through economic power or military power or trickery, but nobody's gonna have to pretend that we're doing this because we're upholding the rights of man. So again, that's great. A lot of people are excited about it.

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Not gonna argue against it because it's already happened. This is done. This is the new world that we live in for good or for bad. So it is a waste of time and breath to complain about it. Far better, far more constructive to think through what does this mean going forward? What implications does this have for us? And what are the potential traps in an arrangement like this?

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One that we've never lived in before. And the first is very obvious and that's getting over your skis. That's getting stoned on hubris. which is always the pitfall for any man, really, in life, powerful or not. Convincing yourself that you have more power than you actually have is the most basic trap in life. That's how you wind up hurting yourself, because you overextend.

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