October 7th Foresight, Netanyahu’s Funding of Hamas, and the Settlers Murdering Palestinians
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What insights does Ari Flanzraich provide about living in Israel?
How long have you lived in Israel? Been there for about 10 years. 10 years. So we were just talking off camera and I'm, first of all, thank you for doing this. Pleasure, thanks for having me. It's impossible to really understand anything from the United States because the filters and the propaganda are just so restrictive. But it seems obvious that October 7th is the beginning of a global reshuffling, certainly of the Middle East. We haven't spent enough time thinking through what that was. What was that?
I think to properly understand October the 7th, you have to put together kind of a timeline. I think what's been lacking here, you know, I talk to a lot of Palestinians and they tell me a lot about how they portray the war as something that sort of began after October the 7th, which is another problem we can get to at some point. The Israelis chalk it up to, you know, the act of a rabid anti-Semite. I have no doubt that he was quite possibly an anti-Semite. You're speaking of? Yahya Sinwar. Yeah. The leader of Hamas, who's now dead. Yeah. But it doesn't mean that there wasn't a logic. It doesn't mean that this happened when it happened and how it happened.
So just to be clear about what you're saying. So from the Palestinian perspective, everything we're seeing now is a result of the events after October 7th. And from the Israeli perspective, October 7th happened just because they're hated unreasonably.
Well, I guess what I often find is when I speak to Palestinians, and they're not wrong to say that the backdrop of all this is that there has been an occupation for a very long time. We've been occupied since 1948, which I understand. But it still doesn't explain the specifics of October the 7th. It explains why at some point something like that could or quite possibly should have happened. Right. And so that's been something I focused on a lot. And I think if you want to put together a proper answer, you have to put together a timeline. You have to go back. You have to trace basically the existence and the trajectory of Hamas from the rise to power. But the real breaking point, I'll say, is 2021. What happened in 2021?
Three things happened in 2021. 2021, you have tensions at Al-Aqsa Mosque. You have famously all the tensions that went on in Sheikh Jarrah, where there were settlers taking Palestinian homes in East Jerusalem. That caused a lot of tension. What happened at the Al-Aqsa complex? There were all kinds of clashes between Israeli border police and Muslim worshippers. And this went on for some time. It was also, it was May.
What timeline is relevant to understanding the events of October 7th?
It was May. And what happened was that Three things happened. Hamas fired rockets into Israel, killing about 14 Israelis. Riots broke out in the middle of Israel, across the country actually, internal riots between Arab Israelis and Israeli Jews. And suddenly the West Bank woke up from a very long slumber. Suddenly you had, for the first time in a very long time, militants who were firing at IDF troops. I remember seeing videos of, I think it must have been hundreds of Palestinian men marching towards the border. Did I think they were going to enter? No. But I remember calling my father. I remember calling him and saying, this video I'm seeing, this doesn't look good. This is an indication of something.
And in the Israeli media, if you look back at the reports, the Israelis perceive this to be an indication that we have a big threat from within. This contributed also to the rise of the right in the years that followed. So the first order of business was we have Arab Israelis and they're a problem. We have 2 million Palestinians within our borders. And the next thing that happened... Oh, the borders of Israel. Yeah, within the 48 borders. Between the sea and the Green Line. Yeah. And then you had over the next year or two, you might remember, increased operations by the IDF. Suddenly in Nablus, which used to be called the terror capital of Palestine, suddenly there was a new militia that formed. It's called Lion's Den.
Suddenly in Jenin, the refugee camps in the north of the West Bank, there are armed men doing military marches with M16s and masks on.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What insights does Ari Flanzraich provide about living in Israel?
0:04–2:43
2
What timeline is relevant to understanding the events of October 7th?
2:43–7:40
3
What were the key events in 2021 that impacted the current situation?
7:40–8:13
4
How did Hamas's leadership view the future of conflict with Israel?
8:13–58:48
5
What challenges do Israelis face in understanding the Palestinian perspective?
58:48–59:33
6
How has the settlement movement changed in recent years?
59:33–59:56
7
What dynamics shape the relationship between Israelis and Palestinians today?
59:56–1:01:09
8
How do Israelis perceive the influence of the U.S. on their government?
1:01:09–1:51:16
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