Oren Cass: How Trump’s Tariffs Are Reversing the Foreign Policy That Doomed America’s Economy
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What defines conservatism today?
We should have them, but you should phase them in. There are going to be obstructions. If you are somebody who wants to do business in America, you need to start planning for that. If we want our economy to work well, the way to make a lot of money in America is by making things in America.
It's like the most interesting thing I've heard in a long time. So you're saying that our economic model was not primarily an economic model, was an instrument of foreign policy. It was like the centerpiece of the global order, post-war global order. It wasn't like designed to help the United States as much as it was to preserve stability around the world.
If there's any group to whom we should be focusing resources on, it is families raising kids who are the ones who have been, I think, most squeezed by these economic changes. We will have to pay for that. And the people who will pay for it are the people who are earning a lot of money and don't have kids.
I love that you said that out loud.
Oren Kass, thank you very much for coming. So you've got a book called The New Conservatives, which tries to answer, I think, and we'll speak for you, the question, you know, what is conservatism? What is the Trump movement? Who's on what side? And probably not a better, it's not really an abstract question. debate anymore. It's like all of a sudden you find yourself, I find myself like on the same side as people with whom I don't think I have anything in common. So what's your definition of conservative?
That's the hardest question in conservatism, I think. And, you know, for me, it comes down to a focus on what actually matters and sort of, you know, all of our policy debates are about the means. What should we do? I think at the end of the day, what defines conservatism and what separates it from progressivism is the definition of the ends. What do we actually think is the good life? What are we trying to achieve? And I think for conservatives, there's a very deep recognition and belief that the good life is about more than just the individual liberty and autonomy and consumption of stuff. Obviously, we care about those things too, but that it is much more balanced against a recognition that, you know, the well-being of families and the conditions in which we're raising the next generation and the strength of our communities, ultimately the strength of our nation, the ability to carry forward traditions, that all of those things are equally probably more important
to people's actual well-being. And that as we think about what government is for, what public policy is for, those are the things we actually have to have in focus.
So paint the picture of what the end result of a well-organized society is.
Well, I think first and foremost, it is the family that at the end of the day, everything is oriented toward this question of how do we raise a next generation that is able to do what we have done, hopefully more than we have done, to enjoy what we have enjoyed, hopefully more than we have enjoyed. And that is a sort of fundamental obligation that we all have. It's not a choice, a consumption choice, right? Some people go to Greece, some people raise the next generation. I mean, as a descriptive matter, it is true. But as a normative matter, as a question of should… That is what should happen and that is what needs to happen. And so the question is, well, okay, what are the conditions in which that can and will happen?
We need to have the conditions where young people can see a future for themselves, forming families, being self-sufficient, supporting kids, being able to provide them a good environment. They need to be in communities that have not just strong institutions and good schools but also just a basic sense of a common culture and a culture that is going to be a healthy one for kids to grow up.
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
What is the main focus of Trump's tariffs?
8:36
2
How did America lose sight of family values?
1:20
3
What defines conservatism today?
0:08–15:13
4
How is the deep state influencing economic policy?
15:13
5
What are the societal problems dividing generations?
3:05–13:46
6
Why was Pat Buchanan targeted?
13:46
7
Are Trump's tariffs effective?
8:36–1:35:11
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