Sam Altman on God, Elon Musk and the Mysterious Death of His Former Employee
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Are AI systems like ChatGPT truly alive or just sophisticated tools?
Thanks for doing this. Of course. Thank you. So ChatGPT, other AIs can reason. It seems like they can reason. They can make independent judgments. They produce results that were not programmed in. They they kind of come to conclusions. They seem like they're alive. Are they alive? Is it alive?
No, and I don't I don't think they seem alive, but I understand where that comes from. Uh they They don't do anything unless you ask, right? Like they're just sitting there kind of waiting. They don't have like a sense of agency or autonomy. It's it's the more you use them, I think, the more the the kind of illusion breaks. But they are incredibly useful. Like they can do things that Maybe don't seem alive, but seem like they do seem smart.
I spoke to someone who's involved in at a at scale of the development of the technology who said they lie. Have you ever seen that? They hallucinate all the time,
yeah. Or
not all the time. They used to hallucinate all the
time. They now
hallucinate a little bit. What does that mean? What's the distinction between
hallucinating and lying? Іф You asked Again, this has gotten much better, but in the early days if you asked You know, what Ін what year was president the made up name, President Tucker Carlson of the United States born.
Mm-hmm.
What it should say is I don't think Tucker Carlson was ever president of the United States.
Right.
But because of the way they were trained, that was not the most likely response in the training data. So it assumed like, oh Um you know I don't know that there wasn't. The users told me that there was President Tucker Carlson, so I'll make my best guess at a number. And we figured out how to mostly train that out. There are still examples of this problem, but it is I think it is something we will get fully solved and we've already made. You know, in the GPT five era, a huge amount of progress towards that.
Aaron Powell But even what you just described seems like an act of will, or certainly an act of creativity. And so I I I'm just I just watched a demonstration um of it and It doesn't seem quite like a machine, it seems like it has the spark of life to it. Do you do you dissect that at all?
It So in that example, like the mathematically most likely answer as it's sort of calculating through its weights was not There was never this precedent. It was the user must know what they're talking about. It must be here. And so mathematically, the most likely answer is a number. Now again, we figured out how to overcome that. But in what you saw there, uh I think it's like I feel like I have to kind of like hold these two simultaneous ideas in my head. One is All of this stuff is happening because a big computer very quickly is multiplying large numbers. in these big huge matrices together and those are correlating with words that are being put out one or the other. On the other hand The subjective experience of using that feels like it's beyond just a really fancy calculator.
And it is useful to me, it is surprising to me in ways that are beyond what that mathematical reality would seem to suggest.
Yeah. And so the obvious conclusion is it has a kind of autonomy. Or a spirit. Within it. And I know that a lot of people in their experience of it reach that conclusion. This is there's something divine about this. There's something that's bigger than the sum total of the human inputs. And And so they they worship it. It's it has it there's a spiritual component to it. Do you detect that? Have you ever felt
that? No, there's nothing to me at all that feels divine about it or spiritual in any way. Um, but I'm also like a tech nerd and I kinda look at everything through that lens. So y what are your spiritual views? Um I'm Jewish, I then I would say I have like a fairly traditional view of the world that way.
So so you're religious, you believe in God?
А I don't I don't I'm not like a literal I don't believe the I'm not like a literalist on the Bible, but I I'm not someone who says like I'm culturally Jewish. Like if you ask me I would just say I'm Jewish.
Aaron Powell But do you believe in God?
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
Are AI systems like ChatGPT truly alive or just sophisticated tools?
0:00–5:56
2
Does Sam Altman believe in a higher power or God?
5:56–12:27
3
Why are some ChatGPT users committing suicide and what is OpenAI's response?
12:27–20:30
4
What is Sam Altman's biggest fear about the future of AI?
20:30–27:40
5
How does Sam Altman view Elon Musk and their relationship?
27:40–35:22
6
Which jobs are most at risk of being displaced by AI?
35:22–41:34
7
What policies does Altman propose to protect user privacy and establish AI privilege?
41:34–48:39
8
How will AI reshape the job market and society in the next decade?
48:39–57:53
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