Tucker and Bret Weinstein Debate Evolution, God’s Existence, Israel, and Will AI Gain Consciousness?
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What are Tucker Carlson's views on evolution?
I don't have a problem at all with the idea that there's physical evolution. My problem is with the question of the creation of all things.
Religious belief systems are keys to the amazing capacity of humans.
The Creator is the force that creates. God was not created. God has always been there. Period. Man, if I was an atheist, I'd be very upset that Sam Harris was carrying my atheist water. Because I felt like he was a very bad spokesman for his cause.
The spokespeople for atheism have done such a terrible disservice by demonizing people's religious faith rather than taking it as the important set of questions that it obviously is. There are many different ways that AI works. can radically disrupt civilization. The idea that they will become conscious and that we won't know is, to me, highly likely.
First of all, thank you. It's great to see you. Great to see you, Tucker. And I hate to start a conversation about me or our relationship or whatever, but I've been wanting to talk to you for the last year. I went on Joe Rogan's show about a year ago, and I stated that I don't believe in Darwinism. And basically, I think God created people. I don't think it was much of a matter of belief. And you texted me and said... I'm an actual evolutionary biologist. We need to have this conversation. So we haven't. Yep. So I will just restate my one sentence position, which is, I think, I don't know about the timeline or the means. I'm not interested. But I think that people are a creation of God, not an accident of biology. That's my position. Yeah.
Got it. Yeah. I'm hoping that the text I sent you was not as defensive as that.
No, it was great. No, it was great. No, are you kidding?
But in any case, no, I did want to have this conversation with you. And let's just say because evolution is my professional realm, I'm sure I could cite you chapter and verse. Well, you definitely could. But it's pointless. First of all, that doesn't make me right. You know, the fact is, yes, I know a lot of factual material, but there are some deeper issues here. And I thought it would be useful if you and I just explored them, because I think you're standing in for a lot of people who have begun to have very profound questions about the story that they've been told about evolution and what its relationship is to biology and, most importantly, to people. Yes. So I just want to confess a few of my positions so that your audience knows where I'm coming from.
Okay.
I do not believe that there is a creator in the literal sense. I am in no way hostile to the idea. But I've come to the conclusion that there probably isn't such a creator because all of the things that we have been able to figure out about the world, things that we know are true because they carry a great deal of predictive power, have come to us through the principle of parsimony. And I will clean up the principle of parsimony a little bit because the way it was originally formulated is clumsy, but... If we had access to all the information, then the simplest explanation for each pattern that we observe would be the correct one. Simplicity is our guide to what's true. And for me, the problem with the hypothesis that there is a creator is that
it answers one very difficult problem. Where did the universe come from? At an expense that is vastly greater in terms of the assumptions, right? If the universe came from a creator, Well, that simplifies one thing. But now we have to explain where that creator came from. And that's a much harder problem than explaining the universe itself. So as much as I agree explaining the universe and explaining biology is difficult, it does not solve a problem to imagine that a creator is the answer. And even if there was one, well... Maybe that creator was existing in a universe that was created by another creator, but eventually you're going to get to a place where you're going to have to reach for the only explanation we have ever come up with for where radical increases in complexity come from.
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