(Apologies for sound issues on this one) Before he was Public Enemy Number One—shipping tons of cocaine from Sonoran tunnels into the US—El Chapo was just a poor kid from Sinaloa, trying to make a quick buck like the bandits who'd gone before him. Reporter Noah Hurowitz has been on the trail of the narco kingpin for three years since his bombshell New York trial. He tells us about his new book, travels in Mexico's original Cartel-Land - and how it's not always easy (or safe) to prise fact from fiction when it comes to one of the planet's most notorious criminals. (Part 2 will be up exclusively on the patreon on Wednesday for subscribers at www.patreon.com/theunderworldpodcast). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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