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Register for the SkySpecs webinar! The crew discusses the resignation of Wind Europe CEO Giles Dickson and his impact on the organization. They examine a new executive order from the White House targeting 'unreliable' wind and solar energy sources, analyzing its potential effects on tax credits and the renewable energy market.
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Allen Hall: Welcome to the Uptime Winner d podcast. I'm Alan Hall in the Queen City, Charlotte, North Carolina.
I got filter the tower out in California and Joel Saxon is in wet Austin, Texas. It rained again today. The storm waters have been severe, like a hundred year flood Situations in Texas have been very dangerous and a lot of people have been injured down there. yeah, our condolences go out to everybody affected down in Texas and there's supposed to be some more severe.
Rainstorms in the East coast of the United States. So hold on tight. there's a lot of news going on [00:01:00] this week around the world. the one that sticks out first and I wanna bring this to the attention of everybody that, if you haven't heard yet, is, wind Europe. CEO Giles Dixon has announced he's stepping down after 10 years as leading WIN Europe.
And I was stunned when this happened. And obviously, I. Don't have any influence in when Europe being an American. I just watch from the outside and I, from what I've seen and attended the conferences over in Europe, everything from what I've seen under his tutelage has been great. And the promotional materials and all the information that when Europe provides, has been outstanding.
so Giles is going to go back to teaching. He's gonna go back into the schoolhouse. but it, seems like it's a shock to everybody at, Wind Europe, at least that's the outward appearance. Board chair Henrik Anderson, who is the head of Vestus Praise Dixon's, tremendous contribution, noting [00:02:00] that he will leave Wind Europe stronger than he when he arrived.
And that's clearly the case. Phil, do you have any insight as to what's going on behind the scenes over in Wind Europe and with Giles?
Phil Totaro: I do not, but I can also speak from personal experience, having met him, I wanna say back in 2018 or probably 2017. and I can certainly attest to the, the work that they've done.
As you might be able to see, I've got two, things sitting here behind me that are awards from, the Wind Europe and, predecessor to, that, we've, done a lot of work over in Europe and it's been facilitated by, the Wind Europe, events that they do as well as the publications that they've put out.
certainly my thanks go out to, to him and, [00:03:00] wish him well on his, future endeavors.
Joel Saxum: I would say from an American standpoint, been to wind Europe now, man, I don't know how many times, half a dozen times or something like that. They do a really good job over there. And this is from, the leadership comes from the top of just circling the wagons, right?
Bringing everybody out to the show, getting more voices involved, giving, getting executive leaders from a lot of these large operators, giving them the space to talk and putting them, in an area where their voices are listened to. So like when, the last time I was at Wind Europe, I think it was in, bill Bao.
so I went, walked into Bill Bau, and when you walked into the conference center, there was big banners hanging of all of the key speakers and what their messages were with pictures of their faces, six feet tall, hanging in all the hallways. And I thought, what a great way to get visibility to the industry, right?
Because if anybody walks in here, because of course at those shows you get, impartial news [00:04:00] agencies and other things going. You see that stuff right in the, European realm. I'm like, I recognize the face of the CEO of RWE and, these things like they pop up. They're, good at getting in the face of the, public and getting their message across.
And I would like to see us do more of those things here. under giles's tutelage there, fantastic job. he said he's gonna step back and go to teaching and give back to his local community where he's from, and I think that's fantastic. it's a, a career shift.
He's given a lot to the wind industry. and moving on. So now, we have those Giles in Pierre walk and talk videos that they put out every, so often, they're gonna have to find someone else to walk and talk with.
Allen Hall: That's gonna be hard to do. Those win flicks are really well done. They're great promotion for the industry in, Europe.
I, there's very little that I've seen that even really compares to them the amount of knowledge you're gonna get in about four and a [00:05:00] half minutes about what is actually happening on the ground in Europe. You just don't find it anywhere like that. The, they are really good tuned to all the inner workings of the eu, the individual countries, all the manufacturers.
They have the pulse of that industry and it's, gonna be a lot to live up to wherever they nominate to be. The next CEO win Europe. It. It has a high bar. A very high bar. Don't let blade damage catch you off guard. OGs. Ping sensors detect issues before they become expensive. Time consuming problems from ice buildup and lightning strikes to pitch misalignment and internal blade cracks.
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The executive order titled, ending Market Distorting Subsidies for Unreliable Foreign Controlled Energy Sources. Does that make an acronym, guys? I don't think it does. The order directs the Treasury Department to strictly enforce termination of clean energy tax credits already included in the recently passed budget reconciliation bill.
the feeling on the street is this was done to placate some of the. Congress, people that wanted more action against wind and solar, mostly from petroleum, based states, and that they didn't feel like they got enough in the legislation, so they wanted to reinforce it. I, don't think this has any real effect, but in in the larger scheme, but the one area which can.
Be adjusted with or played with is the [00:07:00] timing of when projects have to go in and what the percentage of projects has to be done to qualify for the tax credits. And Phil, you want to provide some insights into what can happen with the qualification aspect.
Phil Totaro: Yeah, so let's start with understanding what got approved in the bill.
Any project that starts construction after July 4th, 2026 will no longer be eligible for a production tax credit. Going back to Alan's comment about this executive order, the intent. There is to direct the Treasury Department, which oversees obviously the IRS, which has a final say in what the qualification criteria are for getting the, Companies who wanna claim the production tax credit, you have to submit an application to be able to do that. they are being directed under this executive [00:08:00] order to reexamine whether or not there needs to be changes. That would be I. Basically considered anti renewable. So anything that can take, money off the table for wind and solar is, what they're trying to accomplish with this.
And what they can do, that's outside the scope of the bill is they can. Have, the threshold for what constitutes start of construction raised such that, let's call it about 15.3 gigawatts out of the 30 gigawatts that's already, into the, construction and permitting queue.
There's about 15 gigawatts of that is at jeopardy if we can't. if they raise these thresholds and if we can't get started on construction with all that by, July 4th, 2026.
Joel Saxum: Phil, I got a question for you 'cause I wanna clarify this. We know that solar PV [00:09:00] onshore wind almost exclusively, and I think it is exclusively, will harvest PTCs over the lifetime instead of the 30% ITC credit for CapEx, however.
Offshore wind usually goes for ITC. And so I wanna clarify this also pertains to ITC as well. That's, under, under the same rule set as the PTC. Yes. and ITC if you don't know, is investment tax credits versus production tax credits. So you, that's a onetime, wham. on, I think 30% of the CapEx of a project.
And that's why you see it in offshore wind because it's so dang expensive for offshore wind. But this, so the same set of rules is gonna hit both of those, right?
Phil Totaro: Yes. And, regardless of the executive order, Joel, the, it, the changes in the law that they just made in the tax and budget bill, they passed these changes in the law, actually potentially preclude.
The Mar Wind project in Maryland and the New England one and two [00:10:00] projects, in, Massachusetts, Connecticut, et cetera. that general vicinity where, multiple states are gonna be off taking power, those projects may not be able to get their construction finance in place and. Meet the start of construction threshold,